US Politics : Biden 100 days edition

[greg0205]

It's about choice, Chris. Some people don't have the same choices that our parents provided for us. How many of these people you refer to do you actually meet? If you ask most of them what their biggest regret is, it's that they didn't have a better education.

I actually recommend apprenticeship in a lot cases rather than degrees.


No one is forcing you to go, but you have done so to provide your offspring to have better options than you.

Then there are those privileged ones here, who have had an easy life that get upset when others, who have had it infinitely harder get a break. Are you scared that they may in fact be surpassed? Education for the rich only?

If we were not so privileged, would we pull all stops to ensure that we have a better quality of life? Or would we resign ourselves to the life of burger flipping, and disdain from the educated lot

Chris is gatekeeping for the middle class, but if you ask him he'll deny it.

 

[SoldierMan]

Yes it is, and congratulations... You're so close to understanding systemic racism.

What a load of bull, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

It has nothing to do with systemic racism currently, it is based on history and the circumstances black people find themselves in TODAY. That is not systemic racism TODAY, that was the past, it is current socio-economic issues that are at play, but not for all black people.

That doesn't mean that all black people are helpless victims as you would so claim. Many have lifted themselves out of poverty.

And many more are NOT even born into poverty.

Systemic racism, what a load of nonsense. It's called history and Barack Obama is part of that history and a huge percentage of white people would have had to vote for him for him to become president, TWICE, so if racism is so systemic how do you explain that.

 

[SoldierMan]

Hey Siri, who are Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and what is the war on drugs?

Huge fail by greg.

Usually you have so much to say, now not even one counter argument.

You lose, greggy.

 

[greg0205]

True but you also have to consider that the crime rate among black folks is way higher.

For instance, in 2019, white people made up 45% of those arrested for robbery while black people made up 53%.

So that means that the percentage of black people arrested for robbery is 5.5 times higher than white people. That also means 5.5 times more robbery related police interactions (per capita of the black population).

I know arrests is not the best statistic to go by, I'm just saying it's not as straight forward as you make it either.

If only there was some sort of critical theory to look at how white supremacy in the legal and law enforcement systems could explain some of the issues you raise.

If only.

 

[greg0205]

Huge fail by greg.

Usually you have so much to say, now not even one counter argument.

You lose, greggy.

This you, champ?

 

[SoldierMan]

This you, champ?

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Still no counter points, therefore...

 

[greg0205]

Still no counter points, therefore...

Math beat you like a rented mule eleven posts back, but your little dance amuses me... Kick higher and remember the jazz hands, geevee.

 

[SoldierMan]

Math beat you like a rented mule eleven posts back, but your little dance amuses me... Kick higher and remember the jazz hands, geevee.

No, you just misunderstand that math alone doesn't tell the WHOLE story (surely you can comprehend this??), as TWO OTHER PEOPLE POINTED OUT TO YOU. Two other people I might add that are not conservatives.

 

[tetrasect]

If only there was some sort of critical theory to look at how white supremacy in the legal and law enforcement systems could explain some of the issues you raise.

If only.

Yes, it will account for some of the discrepancy, but we're looking at a 1:5.5 ratio.

Suggesting that, bar the system, robbery crime rate is in fact equal among racial lines is saying that in 2019, 82% of white robbery offenders were not arrested.

Surely you don't believe that to be true?

 

[Temujin]

MAGA: Rubbish! TWICE as many white people are killed by cops!! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

MATH: There are 328,2 millions Americans. For every 100 of those Americans, 60 are white and 13 are black.

In 2020, 457 white folks, and 214 black folks were killed by police.

In order to say *all* lives matter *equally*, police would have to up their game and kill 1112 white folks every year, or cool their jets and only kill 99 black folks.

That's how mathematical percentages work, and are different from looking at totals.

Sure, cos it has nothing to do with crime committed being disproportionate... police should only work on demographics in your clown world... Sorry ma'am, we can't come and arrest that black man in the park raping children cos we haven't caught enough white men raping children this month and it'll be seen as racist, so as soon as we reach our white quota, we'll be in touch

 

[greg0205]

Yes, it will account for some of the discrepancy, but we're looking at a 1:5.5 ratio.

Suggesting that, bar the system, robbery crime rate is in fact equal among racial lines is saying that in 2019, 82% of white robbery offenders were not arrested.

Surely you don't believe that to be true?

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying you can draw a line from slavery, through Jim Crow, Nixon and Reagan's war on drugs, a for-profit prison system, redlining and on and on and on, to a situation today where 13% of a population have been marginalised to the point where for many their only option may be crime.

Also, my original post was me taking issue with the 'two times more white folks' trope our pals always fall back on... It's not an end-all argument, just me pointing out that 10% of 10 is less than 10% of 100 no matter how you look at it.

 

[greg0205]

Sure, cos it has nothing to do with crime committed being disproportionate... police should only work on demographics in your clown world... Sorry ma'am, we can't come and arrest that black man in the park raping children cos we haven't caught enough white men raping children this month and it'll be seen as racist, so as soon as we reach our white quota, we'll be in touch

Tell me you don't understand math without telling me you don't understand math.

 

[tetrasect]

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying you can draw a line from slavery, through Jim Crow, Nixon and Reagan's war on drugs, a for-profit prison system, redlining and on and on and on, to a situation today where 13% of a population have been marginalised to the point where for many their only option may be crime.

Also, my original post was me taking issue with the 'two times more white folks' trope our pals always fall back on... It's not an end-all argument, just me pointing out that 10% of 10 is less than 10% of 100 no matter how you look at it.

Completely agree. All I'm saying is that police killings will never be proportional to race distribution UNTIL crime is proportional to race distribution.

Police killings will always largely be proportional to police interactions, and only marginally swayed by police racism.

Asking the police to create a scenario where police killings are proportional along racial lines in my robbery example would in fact be asking them to kill white robbery offenders at a rate that is 5.5 times higher than black robbery offenders.

This is just the sad reality, cutting out police racism is just a small step but will also only have a small effect.

What is really needed is uplifting black communities, and that is what will ultimately lead to the desired outcome.

 

[greg0205]

Completely agree. All I'm saying is that police killings will never be proportional to race distribution UNTIL crime is proportional to race distribution.

Police killings will always largely be proportional to police interactions, and only marginally swayed by systemic racism.

Asking the police to create a scenario where police killings are proportional along racial lines in my robbery example would in fact be asking them to kill white robbery offenders at a rate that is 5.5 times higher than black robbery offenders.

This is just the sad reality, cutting out systemic racism is just a small step but will also only have a small effect.

What is really needed is uplifting black communities, and that is what will ultimately lead to the desired outcome.

I was being facetious with my kill more/kill less thing; certainly not advocating police create a proportional scenario. It was just the snarkiest way I could think of to show that 457 playing 214 is a garbage argument.

The only possible daylight between you and me in this post is where "marginally swayed" lands for each of us.

 

[konfab]

Yes it is, and congratulations... You're so close to understanding systemic racism.

Are men an oppressed class of people according to progressives because they get shot by the police far more than woman?

 

[tetrasect]

I was being facetious with my kill more/kill less thing; certainly not advocating police create a proportional scenario. It was just the snarkiest way I could think of to show that 457 playing 214 is a garbage argument.

The only possible daylight between you and me in this post is where "marginally swayed" lands for each of us.

edited my post, I meant "police racism", not "systemic racism". Obviously systemic racism has a huge negative impact on the upliftment of black communities.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

It's about choice, Chris. Some people don't have the same choices that our parents provided for us. How many of these people you refer to do you actually meet? If you ask most of them what their biggest regret is, it's that they didn't have a better education.

I actually recommend apprenticeship in a lot cases rather than degrees.


No one is forcing you to go, but you have done so to provide your offspring to have better options than you.

Then there are those privileged ones here, who have had an easy life that get upset when others, who have had it infinitely harder get a break. Are you scared that they may in fact be surpassed? Education for the rich only?

If we were not so privileged, would we pull all stops to ensure that we have a better quality of life? Or would we resign ourselves to the life of burger flipping, and disdain from the educated lot

I fail to see how student loans, which enable people whose parents can't afford college, are bad for poor people? Sure, it is an additional financial commitment but as I said, it's offset by the far larger potential higher lifetime earnings than non-college people. I just don't think writing off student debt projects the correct message about financial prudence

 

[greg0205]

Are men an oppressed class of people according to progressives because they get shot by the police far more than woman?

When you're ready to have an honest conversation about the war on drugs' impact on communities of colour; law enforcement's focus on lower income and urban areas; incarceration-for-profit breaking up family units; single income families and the opportunities they miss; and how black men have always felt some of the worst of racism because 'protect muh white women from the black man', give me a shout, konfab.

 

[SoldierMan]

When you're ready to have an honest conversation about the war on drugs' impact on communities of colour; law enforcement's focus on lower income and urban areas; incarceration-for-profit breaking up family units; single income families and the opportunities they miss; and how black men have always felt some of the worst of racism because 'protect muh white women from the black man', give me a shout, konfab.

Wasn't Obama supposed to do something about those issues..... a black person and a Democrat. Was he also oppressing the black community as you suggest is being done by his lack of action?

He didn't even make the abolishment of slavery a public holiday, it took crazy Joe Biden to do that.

 

[greg0205]

Wasn't Obama supposed to do something about those issues..... a black person and a Democrat. Was he also oppressing the black community as you suggest is being done by his lack of action?

He didn't even make the abolishment of slavery a public holiday, it took crazy Joe Biden to do that.

You should ask Mitch McConnell about that.

My biggest issue with centrist Democrats is that they don't fight Republicans like it's a death-match... because it is a death-match.