US Politics : Biden 100 days edition

[greg0205]

So, is Liz Cheney gone now? I seem out of the loop here and can't find much except they were supposed to vote and voted. Maybe results are awaited now so I will wait a bit.

p.s. someone's reply to Ted's tweet above suggests she is gone. hmm..

Repugs vote later today.

 

[Unhappy438]

Not yet the vote is later today. Seems like a done deal though. It's a real 'crossing the sanity rubicon' moment for the GOP.

You think this is the sanity crossing point? The right lost their marbles a long time ago.

 

[cerebus]

You think this is the sanity crossing point? The right lost their marbles a long time ago.

Yeah, but I think somehow 'excommunicating GOP leadership for refusing to push the claim that the election was stolen from Trump' cements the craziness in a new way.

 

[Unhappy438]

Yeah, but I think somehow 'excommunicating GOP leadership for refusing to push the claim that the election was stolen from Trump' cements the craziness in a new way.

Its just a different shade of the same usual schit from the GOP imo.

The letter of over a 100 Republicans threatening to split from the party is lovely to see though and they said it was the Dems that would be doing all the in fighting .

Let them cannibalize themselves i say.

 

[greg0205]

Nazi Barbie is trending.

No, not Ivanka

No, not Kayleigh

No, not Marjorie

No, not Lauren

No, not Laura

No, not Lara


Tabby Lambada... It's Tacky Leprechaun.

 

[lumeer]

Lindsey Graham was right when, in 2016, he warned that Trump would destroy the Republican Party.

 

[greg0205]

Shot

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379165316673114126

Chaser

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392267335847878661

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

No surprises that HR1 as currently constituted is constitutionally dubious (not that it has a hope of passing UNLESS the filibuster disappears). Thank heavens for federalism!


But look at the blatant manipulation of where court challenges must be brought first:

 

[konfab]

Very unlikely you will ever get a logical answer to this. Of course the minimum wage should be livable, nobody should have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by.

Firstly, there are numerous problems with the minimum wage.
1) Living costs dramatically vary from place to place.
2) The supply of labour can vary from place to place.
3) The availability of work can vary from place to place.

It is absolute hubris to think you can distil all these complexities and regional differences into one number, which you call the living wage.

Secondly.
It really is about understanding how the concept of the price of something is determined. Contrary to what your buddy Marx says, prices are not determined by how much work you put into providing a good or a service. They are determined by what someone else is willing to pay for said good or service and what someone is willing to sell said good or service for. If prices are not determined like this, you get severe economic problems. Like unemployment, inflation caused by the lack of production.

The only proven way of helping those on the lower end of the economic scale is to have a free economy that produces high economic growth. That growth then allows workers to be more picky about which jobs they can pick as the burden then shifts to employers to look for lower cost labour.

 

[greg0205]

Firstly, there are numerous problems with the minimum wage.
1) Living costs dramatically vary from place to place.
2) The supply of labour can vary from place to place.
3) The availability of work can vary from place to place.

It is absolute hubris to think you can distil all these complexities and regional differences into one number, which you call the living wage.

Secondly.
It really is about understanding how the concept of the price of something is determined. Contrary to what your buddy Marx says, prices are not determined by how much work you put into providing a good or a service. They are determined by what someone else is willing to pay for said good or service and what someone is willing to sell said good or service for. If prices are not determined like this, you get severe economic problems. Like unemployment, inflation caused by the lack of production.

The only proven way of helping those on the lower end of the economic scale is to have a free economy that produces high economic growth. That growth then allows workers to be more picky about which jobs they can pick as the burden then shifts to employers to look for lower cost labour.

Firstly,

1) Take the cost of living in the state where it's most expensive
2) Apply those calculations to the entire country.

Unless you're dead-set on a caste hierarchy based on individual states, konfab.

Secondly

prices are not determined by how much work you put into providing a good or a service.

Wut?

 

[greg0205]

The Fall of Society: A Play.

konfab: Good day BMW salesperson, I'm here to buy your brand new M4 Coupe. Sapphire black, 20" rims and carbon trim please. Oh, I'm willing to pay R200,00 for your product. Not a penny more.

Salesperson:

Salesperson:

konfab: Not a single penny.

Salesperson: No.

/society collapses.

 

[cerebus]

That growth then allows workers to be more picky about which jobs they can pick as the burden then shifts to employers to look for lower cost labour.

No workers can't be picky they need to take menial starvation wage jobs because work purifies their worthless plebian souls.

 

[greg0205]

No workers can't be picky they need to take menial starvation wage jobs because work purifies their worthless plebian souls.

Arbeit Macht Frei.

 

[ponder]

Firstly,

1) Take the cost of living in the state where it's most expensive
2) Apply those calculations to the entire country.

That doesn't make sense, just look at the eu and rest of the world.

EU minimum wage,


California for example has the worlds 5th largest economy, you can't apply what happens in California to Mississippi. I'm sure people in Mississippi would love to be paid California wages & benefits but how do you pay that when you don't generate the same wealth.

 

[rietrot]

LOL good luck convincing sometime that they should take a shitty job that they can't live off because it's good to be busy. Y'all Calvinist types have some twisted views

There's no need to convince people. There's enough people that's desperate enough to do anything, and if there isn't then the price will increase.

The problem currently isn't a lack of employees, there will be more than enough of those especially with Democrats open border policies. The problem is that they take the job at a low wage, do nothing to improve themselves, and then unionize and get indoctrinated with communist BS.

 

[AlmightyBender]

That doesn't make sense, just look at the eu and rest of the world.

EU minimum wage,
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California for example has the worlds 5th largest economy, you can't apply what happens in California to Mississippi. I'm sure people in Mississippi would love to be paid California wages & benefits but how do you pay that when you don't generate the same wealth.

I acknowledge your point, I don't agree with my comrade Greg on this one.

But...
big but...

How do you feel about someone in California being offered wages that match the minimum being offered in Mississippi? To the point that they have to work 16 hours per day to earn the equivalent of what should be the minimum for 8 hours in California.

That is the corollary of the hypothetical you used. Surely that situation is problematic and needs to be addressed in * SOME * way?

 

[cerebus]

That doesn't make sense, just look at the eu and rest of the world.

EU minimum wage,
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California for example has the worlds 5th largest economy, you can't apply what happens in California to Mississippi. I'm sure people in Mississippi would love to be paid California wages & benefits but how do you pay that when you don't generate the same wealth.

We're talking about a federal minimum wage here, not a median wage. Big difference.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Firstly,

1) Take the cost of living in the state where it's most expensive
2) Apply those calculations to the entire country.

Unless you're dead-set on a caste hierarchy based on individual states, konfab.

Secondly



Wut?

Complete nonsense and would result in huge price distortions for every good & service. Why should people in Alabama have a minimum wage determined by those living in New York (for example) ? Fact is, you can get by with a much lower salary in more rural states than the high-tax ones. That's just how it is. It's an example of how businesses respond freely (without government coercion) to the economic circumstances of people in a particular area.

 

[rietrot]

I acknowledge your point, I don't agree with my comrade Greg on this one.

But...
big but...

How do you feel about someone in California being offered wages that match the minimum being offered in Mississippi? To the point that they have to work 16 hours per day to earn the equivalent of what should be the minimum for 8 hours in California.

That is the corollary of the hypothetical you used. Surely that situation is problematic and needs to be addressed in * SOME * way?

The best way is to treat people like consenting adults in charge of their own body, mind and time.

Set no minimum wage, and allow the adults to decide for themselves what work they wish to do.

 

[ponder]

How do you feel about someone in California being offered wages that match the minimum being offered in Mississippi?

But they don't, California minimum wage is a few cents short of being double that of Mississippi. Secondly the market is stepping up and increasing their own minimum wages, just yesterday I saw something about Chipotle raising their wages to overcome the staff shortages. Do I think US businesses can pay more? Yes.