US Politics : Biden 100 days edition

[jack_spratt]

What the hell?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I prefer a definition of life that is applicable to everyone, rather than being specific to individual cases. Your attempted use of an appeal to authority fails here. A doctor cannot just declare you to be non-alive and kill you, just because they are a medical professional. Neither can your mother. The means by which you do it are important, and using something that is consistent across all strains on life seems to be the correct method of doing it.

As for the bounties, it isn't any different than having a bounty for reporting a murder from my perspective, given I have a definition that killing someone after they are 8 weeks old is murder as they have neurological activity.

And you cannot make any claim to authoritarianism, when you think it is morally acceptable to hold people down and inject them with a vaccine.

An utterly absurd comparison. Have you done even a little bit of reading on how the law works? It's creating a quasi-Stasi-like system where there's zero consequences for people who want to harass through vexatious /false accusations, nevermind the foulness of having people spy on and snitch on others' personal medical issues. It's a nightmare for individual rights, but you give it a pass because you like the target.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1436751749663047684

We respect the men in BLUE*

*offer not applicable when being beaten, maced or eye-gouged by MAGA zealots.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

A vaccine for thee, but not for me.

Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Biden's Vaccine Mandate

The president's executive orders apply to employees of the executive branch and federal government contractors.

www.newsweek.com

Separation of powers, what even is it?!

Congress is exempt from all executive rulemaking.

Did you not know that or are you pretending you didn't...?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

"Forty Wall Street actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center was the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second tallest, and now it's the tallest" - Donald J Trump

"I watched, in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down" - Donald J Trump

"Everyone who helped clear the rubble, and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit" - Donald J Trump

It's very close to my heart because I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down at seven eleven, down at the World Trade Center right after it came down" - Donald J Trump

Can add this one, from two weeks ago:

“We took out the founder of ISIS, [Abu Bakr] al-Baghdadi, and then of course [Iranian military leader Qassem] Soleimani. Now just so you understand, Soleimani is bigger by many, many times than Osama bin Laden. The founder of ISIS is bigger by many, many times—al-Baghdadi—than Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden had one hit, and it was a bad one, in New York City, the World Trade Center. But these other two guys were monsters. They were monsters."

Bin Laden, the one-hit wonder...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hey, remember when the Trumpers here pretended to care about lists...

Turning Point USA Targets School Boards Over ‘Evil’ Mask Requirements and ‘Radical’ Training on Bias and Inequality | Right Wing Watch

Turning Point USA, an organization that trains and mobilizes right-wing college students, launched a project targeting public school boards on August 15,

www.rightwingwatch.org

Turning Point USA, an organization that trains and mobilizes right-wing college students, launched a project targeting public school boards on August 15, the Documented newsletter reported. TPUSA’s “School Board Watchlist” urges right-wing activists to submit anonymous tips about “radical and false ideologies endorsed by school boards and pushed in the classroom.”

 

[konfab]

An utterly absurd comparison. Have you done even a little bit of reading on how the law works? It's creating a quasi-Stasi-like system where there's zero consequences for people who want to harass through vexatious /false accusations, nevermind the foulness of having people spy on and snitch on others' personal medical issues. It's a nightmare for individual rights, but you give it a pass because you like the target.

It's only an absurd comparison in your eyes because you don't consider a foetus to be a human being. They only get that privilege one they can get the mother a welfare cheque in your moral philosophy.

If they are a human being, rewarding people who report a murder or an attempted murder is perfectly justifiable.

 

[surface]

It's only an absurd comparison in your eyes because you don't consider a foetus to be a human being. They only get that privilege one they can get the mother a welfare cheque in your moral philosophy.

If they are a human being, rewarding people who report a murder or an attempted murder is perfectly justifiable.

You didn't answer the question. Do any of the republican/other companies offer heath/life insurance and/or cover for foetus? Do these companies payout if foetus dies of natural causes in case of life insurance?

 

[konfab]

You didn't answer the question. Do any of the republican/other companies offer heath/life insurance and/or cover for foetus? Do these companies payout if foetus dies of natural causes in case of life insurance?

How can you have a life insurance product for someone you are legally allowed to kill?

System would be bankrupt in days. All a progressive mother would need to to is take out insurance on her unborn child, pop over to planned parenthood, then get that sweet payout.

As for health insurance, that is pretty much what maternity cover is. It covers for both the foetus and the mother during pregnancy.

 

[surface]

How can you have a life insurance product for someone you are legally allowed to kill?

System would be bankrupt in days. All a progressive mother would need to to is take out insurance on her unborn child, pop over to planned parenthood, then get that sweet payout.

As for health insurance, that is pretty much what maternity cover is. It covers for both the foetus and the mother during pregnancy.

I see. If you kill yourself as a adult, does insurance payout to your nominees currently ?

 

[cerebus]

It's only an absurd comparison in your eyes because you don't consider a foetus to be a human being. They only get that privilege one they can get the mother a welfare cheque in your moral philosophy.

If they are a human being, rewarding people who report a murder or an attempted murder is perfectly justifiable.

1) If individual freedom means anything, it’s that one adult can’t impose their beliefs on another

2) vaccines save lives yet you’re completely opposed to mandating them in any way, so the value of human life doesn’t appear to override the preeminence of individual freedoms

 

[konfab]

1) If individual freedom means anything, it’s that one adult can’t impose their beliefs on another

2) vaccines save lives yet you’re completely opposed to mandating them in any way, so the value of human life doesn’t appear to override the preeminence of individual freedoms

1) Individual freedom does mean that that. There are a few caveats that you cannot use that freedom to intentionally harm someone. If I shoot someone who is about to kill your child I am not violating their freedom.

2) Donating blood saves lives, would you be against mandatory blood donations? Or better yet, why don't we have mandatory weight loss programs for fatties? Or mandatory 5km runs every day?

Considering I have the view that a foetus is a human being, I am not violating anyone's rights by preventing the people who have the intention from murdering it, from murdering it. To put a comparison for the coof, you cannot prove that someone who doesn't get vaccinated is liable for the death of someone who dies from it.

You progressives has indicated very clearly that intentionally spreading a disease places no moral duty on them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...fornia-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/

As for mandating a vaccine, yes I am completely against it. What I wouldn't be against is a health insurance company giving higher premiums to those who don't have a good reason to get a safe vaccine for a nasty disease. That is perfectly morally justifiable IMO as a health insurance company has skin in the game in paying for your healthcare.

 

[surface]

1) If individual freedom means anything, it’s that one adult can’t impose their beliefs on another

2) vaccines save lives yet you’re completely opposed to mandating them in any way, so the value of human life doesn’t appear to override the preeminence of individual freedoms

All these sanctity of fetus views originate from primitive beliefs taken straight out of goat herder's books (Bible & Quran) and it is difficult to change these views once you were indoctrinated from birth. Obviously, it can be done but it is huge effort and it has some consequences that one has to accept (like probable alienation of certain family members)

 

[Kieppie]

All these sanctity of fetus views originate from primitive beliefs taken straight out of goat herder's books (Bible & Quran) and it is difficult to change these views once you were indoctrinated from birth. Obviously, it can be done but it is huge effort and it has some consequences that one has to accept (like probable alienation of certain family members)

What utter nonsense. There is no religious basis needed to, correctly, state that life begins at conception. Ending life intentionally is murder.
The "grey" area is when is life supposedly sentient life. You want to simultaneously argue that humans deserve special rights, but a fetus does not, all based on this arbitrarily defined grey area.

The life insurance example is also laughable. Life cover is to assist your dependents with the sudden loss of income and costs associated with the death.
I know some see children as a source of income, but this is ghoulish beyond the pale.

As for individual freedoms. The government should not be interfering in day to day life, but it does have one role and that is to protect life.
Vaccines may save lives, but the survivability is already over 99% for most. Abortions on the other hand is over 99% fatal.

 

[konfab]

All these sanctity of fetus views originate from primitive beliefs taken straight out of goat herder's books (Bible & Quran) and it is difficult to change these views once you were indoctrinated from birth. Obviously, it can be done but it is huge effort and it has some consequences that one has to accept (like probable alienation of certain family members)

I have a completely non-religious objection to abortion.

 

[Kieppie]

I have a completely non-religious objection to abortion.

inb4 implicit bias due to society...

 

[surface]

I have a completely non-religious objection to abortion.

I see. I always took you coming from a Christian family. Interesting to know that you are not a Christian.

 

[Gnarls]

I see. I always took you coming from a Christian family. Interesting to know that you are not a Christian.

Lol, you get a lot of things wrong.

 

[wbot]

What the hell?
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I looked at other pics of the memorial and he doesn't have that so this must be a badly constructed body double

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

NY Times brings up an interesting point about the vaccine mandate debate:

There is a deep inconsistency in that argument. Mississippi has some of the strictest vaccine mandates in the nation, which have not drawn opposition from most of its elected officials. Not only does it require children to be vaccinated against measles, mumps and seven other diseases to attend school, but it goes a step further than most states by barring parents from claiming “religious, philosophical or conscientious” exemptions.

One Republican governor, Pete Ricketts of Nebraska, drew a distinction between Covid-19 shots and childhood vaccines, insisting in an appearance on “Fox News Sunday” that childhood vaccine mandates do not violate personal freedoms because parents have had “a long history” with them. Of Covid-19 shots, he said, “This is a process that’s going to take time to bring people along, and that’s why it should be a personal choice.”

G.O.P. Seethes at Biden Mandate, Even in States Requiring Other Vaccines

Resistance to vaccine mandates, once a fringe position, has entered the Republican mainstream. But the governors fighting President Biden’s Covid-19 requirements impose mandates of their own.

www.nytimes.com