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ponder said:
Yes. There's usually a waiting period clause though.
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Oh I didn't know but then does same principle applies to fetus i.e. do insurance companies payout to mother/father for dead fetus considering fetus is a human being in his opinion.
 
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surface said:
Oh I didn't know but then does same principle applies to fetus i.e. do insurance companies payout to mother/father for dead fetus considering fetus is a human being in his opinion.
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Not sure what the conditions are or if they pay out before birth.

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konfab said:
It's only an absurd comparison in your eyes because you don't consider a foetus to be a human being. They only get that privilege one they can get the mother a welfare cheque in your moral philosophy.

If they are a human being, rewarding people who report a murder or an attempted murder is perfectly justifiable.
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So... that's a no, you haven't done even the most basic reading on what the law does.

It's not simply about "reporting" a murder or attempted murder. The law outsources enforcement of the law to random members of the public ("the mob", if you will). It creates, in effect, a bounty system where people can cash in by dobbing in whoever they want to, and there's no recourse (literally by design in the law) for defendants falsely accused or sued.

Is enforcement of anti-homicide laws outsourced to random members of the public? Do you think that's a good idea?

Here's a libertarian take on it:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1437090076039729161

Unsurprising how paper thin your commitment to individual rights and civil liberties are when you like the cause that infringes on them.
 
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cerebus said:
Did any of those people say those quotes?
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tetrasect said:
Doesn't matter, it's all republicans hear.
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Remember when Trump racially demagogued 4 specific women and started his political career by pushing a racist conspiracy theory about Obama?

Also, there's something comical about the right's basis for attacking them (especially Omar) being essentially the same basis they claim makes their own political goals legitimate.

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So... that's a no, you haven't done even the most basic reading on what the law does.

It's not simply about "reporting" a murder or attempted murder. The law outsources enforcement of the law to random members of the public ("the mob", if you will). It creates, in effect, a bounty system where people can cash in by dobbing in whoever they want to, and there's no recourse (literally by design in the law) for defendants falsely accused or sued.

Is enforcement of anti-homicide laws outsourced to random members of the public? Do you think that's a good idea?

Here's a libertarian take on it:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1437090076039729161

Unsurprising how paper thin your commitment to individual rights and civil liberties are when you like the cause that infringes on them.
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Utter nonsense.

One of the biggest complaints about the bill is that many women do not realize they are pregnant by the 6th week or rather have not deiced to go through with the procedure yet.
However according to fear mongers out there, the random "mob" will be able to tell and report the doctor?
Remind us by what stage in a pregnancy does it become apparent?

If you want to make a claim about the supposed "bounties", it's that it's not likely going to work as people won't be aware of whether a crime is commit or not.
Perhaps for the few cases of a whistleblower or someone close to the woman. Again it isn't just a fine based on allegations, but it has to be proven in court.

So your law enforcement example is laughable. It's the reporting of the crime that is "outsourced", not the investigation. Hence exactly the same as with other crimes.
 
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