US Politics : Biden 100 days edition

Status
Not open for further replies.
konfab

konfab

Honorary Master
Joined
Jun 23, 2008
Messages
36,118
DA-LION-619 said:
Going back to your healthcare comparison, that would mean the cost of public health destroys private healthcare.
Click to expand...
Depends what counts as public health.
Subsidised hospitals, and doctors being employed by the state- yes. It is why waiting times in public healthcare are terrible. No incentives to provide a better quality service.

A public healthcare system that provides something like healthcare vouchers at least keeps the pricing mechanism intact (even if it distorts the supply and demand).

DA-LION-619 said:
How do you see the government? Is it another competitor or just a body setting rules?
Click to expand...
Government should only be in the business of protecting individual rights. At the very least, this should be the standard for a national government (that is the largest body of government in a country).
As you get more smaller and localised with government, I have less of an issue with the amount of rules or the involvement of said government because there is the market of local immigration to keep things in check.

Take minimum wage for example, if you have to have it, then keeping it as far away from the federal government as possible is the best way to do it. A local government setting its minimum wage would feel the harmful effects of it and get rid of it much quicker than the federal government would.
 
B

buka001

Honorary Master
Joined
Oct 16, 2009
Messages
16,981
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392540161058168837

I wonder what the cost will be to suppliers and transport companies who have to take diversions, when they shut the bridge to carry out repairs?

If only there was something like an Infrastructure funding programme that had come out a few years back and had spent money on preventative maintenance to minimise the total costs here.
 
DA-LION-619

DA-LION-619

Honorary Master
Joined
Aug 22, 2009
Messages
13,777
konfab said:
Depends what counts as public health.
Subsidised hospitals, and doctors being employed by the state- yes. It is why waiting times in public healthcare are terrible. No incentives to provide a better quality service.

A public healthcare system that provides something like healthcare vouchers at least keeps the pricing mechanism intact (even if it distorts the supply and demand).


Government should only be in the business of protecting individual rights. At the very least, this should be the standard for a national government (that is the largest body of government in a country).
As you get more smaller and localised with government, I have less of an issue with the amount of rules or the involvement of said government because there is the market of local immigration to keep things in check.

Take minimum wage for example, if you have to have it, then keeping it as far away from the federal government as possible is the best way to do it. A local government setting its minimum wage would feel the harmful effects of it and get rid of it much quicker than the federal government would.
Click to expand...
I don’t see it as changing the pricing mechanism.
A doctor(skilled labour) can choose to work for either public or private which dictates the cost of the labour.
Paying for private healthcare, has more an effect on experience rather than quality because you aren’t choosing your doctor.
It’s kinda like saying a store brand is inferior in quality just based on price.

How would handle a more complicated scenario such as:
You have long distance truck drivers, the longer they drive, the more they make but the longer they drive, the more they’re prone to accidents.
Government wants to regulate hours, as decreasing hours, reduces accidents which reduces healthcare costs.

It’s an economic decision impacting two sectors, across geographic areas affecting individuals(drivers) and a group(public road users).
 
Last edited:
cerebus

cerebus

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 5, 2007
Messages
49,122
jack_spratt said:
Dems are total loons

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392900623381803011
Click to expand...

That's awesome. Another great initiative:

gizmodo.com

Five Ohio Residents to Get $1 Million Each Just for Getting Vaccinated in New Lottery

Five lucky people in Ohio will win $1 million each just for getting vaccinated for covid-19, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine announced on Wednesday. The new lottery, which starts handing out cash weekly on May 26, will be administered through the Ohio Department of Health as well as the Ohio Lottery...
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com
 
cerebus

cerebus

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 5, 2007
Messages
49,122
greg0205 said:
Uh-oh...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392870352456458245
Click to expand...

Matt Gaetz right now

tenor.gif
 
OrbitalDawn

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
47,031
Unhappy438 said:
The market can quite easily determine supply and demand beyond a minimum wage. The idea that any regulation in a market destroys its ability is complete bunk.

Using your path analogy, minimum wage wants to pave that pathway that's essentially a muddy rut just like the other pathways and you're going "noooo thats going to mess with peoples ability to choose pathways".

I feel the only common ground we can find is that you can certainly go too far on a minimum wage just like any kind of regulation. The US isnt at that point yet though.
Click to expand...
If you scratch a little bit on any of konfab's criticism of any progressive policy it always ends up as "it's possible for policy x to be super extreme and bad, therefore any version of it is bad".

"If you think the rich should pay more tax, why not just make the tax rate 80%?! If you like the minimum wage, why not just make it $500 an hour!? If government subsidies are good, why not just nationalise everything!?"

Curiously not a line of reasoning he ever applies to his own chosen ideology.
 
B

buka001

Honorary Master
Joined
Oct 16, 2009
Messages
16,981
Unhappy438 said:
The only thing loony is they are having to go to these lengths because of republican lies and tin foil conspiracies.
Click to expand...
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392935976125833226

Remembering that time conservatives like Konfab clutched their pearls at how masks would be a permanent way for government to control people.

In the real world, fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks.

As would always be the case.
 
OrbitalDawn

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
47,031
buka001 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392935976125833226

Remembering that time conservatives like Konfab clutched their pearls at how masks would be a permanent way for government to control people.

In the real world, fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks.

As would always be the case.
Click to expand...
He was still going on about the lockdowns that would never end like 2 weeks back. I asked for specifics... no response, obviously.
 
OrbitalDawn

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
47,031
Makes you think.

www.motherjones.com

Leaked video: Dark money group brags about writing GOP voter suppression bills across the country

“We did it quickly and we did it quietly,” said the executive director of Heritage Action.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com
In a private meeting last month with big-money donors, the head of a top conservative group boasted that her outfit had crafted the new voter suppression law in Georgia and was doing the same with similar bills for Republican state legislators across the country. “In some cases, we actually draft them for them,” she said, “or we have a sentinel on our behalf give them the model legislation so it has that grassroots, from-the-bottom-up type of vibe.”
Click to expand...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top