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Kieppie

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It's not arbitrary, that's when the fetus has an actual heart. You can only hear a heartbeat without the use of an ultrasound at around 20 weeks

The heart hasn't formed yet at 6 weeks. What you're hearing at that point is not a beating heart and the "beat" isn't actually audible without an ultrasound. If you used a stethoscope you would not hear anything. What you are picking up at 6 weeks is an electrically-induced flutter of a part of the fetal tissue that might eventually become a heart as the embryo develops. That's far from a sure thing at 6 weeks.
Yes I know it's via an ultrasound. I never said anything about how the heart rate is detected. Using a stethoscope is only viable after 18-20 weeks.

Also the fetal heart is fully formed by the 10th week so the first trimester is meaningless here.
Point remains it is detectable and separate from the mother even when it is still a flutter.
 

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Yes I know it's via an ultrasound. I never said anything about how the heart rate is detected. Using a stethoscope is only viable after 18-20 weeks.

Also the fetal heart is fully formed by the 10th week so the first trimester is meaningless here.
Point remains it is detectable and separate from the mother even when it is still a flutter.
You keep saying "mother", but I'm sure you mean "host body".
 

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No I mean mother. Unless you're trying to change more definitions.
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Among 432,302 persons aged 2–19 years in the longitudinal cohort, 50.7% were male and 65.7% were White (Table 1). The cohort included 45.7% persons from the South, 21.2% from the Midwest, 19.0% from the West, and 14.0% from the Northeast U.S. Census regions.*** Based on initial BMI, obesity prevalence was start highlight16.0%end highlight, including 4.8% with severe obesity. Overall, the monthly rate of BMI increase nearly doubled during the COVID-19 pandemic period compared with that during the prepandemic period (0.100 versus 0.052 kg/m2; ratio = 1.93) (Table 2). Similarly, the rate of change in the proportion of persons with obesity was 5.3 times as high during the pandemic (0.37 percentage points per month) than before the pandemic (0.07); for example, in this cohort, the estimated proportion of persons aged 2–19 years with obesity was 19.3% (95% CI = 19.1–19.4) in August 2019 and 22.4% (95% CI = 22.3–22.6) in August 2020.

Persons aged 2–19 years in all BMI categories except underweight experienced significant increases in their rate of BMI change during the pandemic (Table 2). Among persons with overweight, moderate obesity, and severe obesity, pandemic rates of BMI increase more than doubled, compared with prepandemic rates (ratios = 2.13, 2.34, and 2.00; differences = 0.06, 0.09, and 0.09, respectively); similar effects were observed for weight change. In contrast, those with healthy weight had a rate of BMI change that increased 0.03 kg/m2/month during the pandemic (ratio = 1.78).

Compared with other age groups, children aged 6–11 years experienced the largest increase in their rate of BMI change (0.09 kg/m2/month), with a pandemic rate of change that was 2.50 times as high as the prepandemic rate. Age-stratified analyses revealed that among children aged 3–5 and 6–11 years, the difference in the rate of BMI change increased with increasing BMI category. For example, among children aged 3–5 years, those with healthy weight had an increase in their rate of BMI change of 0.03 kg/m2/month, whereas those with overweight, moderate obesity, or severe obesity had increases of 0.06, 0.10, and 0.18 kg/m2/month, respectively (Figure).

TLDR the lockdowns will result in more deaths among children due to illnesses relating to obesity than Covid itself if this increase is not undone.
 

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Meh over sensationalism as expected....

On Monday, an Arkansas man said he decided to file a lawsuit to test the constitutionality of the Texas measure after reading a news report about Braid’s declaration. Oscar Stilley, a former lawyer convicted of tax fraud in 2010, said he is not personally opposed to abortion, but believes that the measure should be subject to judicial review.

“If the law is no good, why should we have to go through a long, drawn-out process to find out if it’s garbage?” Stilley said in an interview after filing the complaint in state court in Bexar County, Tex., which includes San Antonio.

You should be thanking them Greggy. So no "spying on your neighbour" just two people that pushed it to the fore to challenge it in court.
 

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TLDR the lockdowns will result in more deaths among children due to illnesses relating to obesity than Covid itself if this increase is not undone.
You know other people can click on the link and see what the study says, right?

Substituting your own conclusions (to suit your priors) isn't ayoba.
 

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You know other people can click on the link and see what the study says, right?

Substituting your own conclusions (to suit your priors) isn't ayoba.
I thought the requirements are that you include some highlights for those that do not actually click on links.

My conclusion part is accurate though. Unless you're going to argue against the significant role obesity plays in most illnesses, not least of which includes Covid?
This ties in with my previous post about the health risks to children released by ONS. There is another that I did not post that showed a 30+% over reporting of Covid deaths among children.
 

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I thought the requirements are that you include some highlights for those that do not actually click on links.

My conclusion part is accurate though. Unless you're going to argue against the significant role obesity plays in most illnesses, not least of which includes Covid?
This ties in with my previous post about the health risks to children released by ONS. There is another that I did not post that showed a 30+% over reporting of Covid deaths among children.
"TLDR the lockdowns will result in more deaths"

^this is your own invention, not found anywhere in the study, much less the actual, main conclusion.
 

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"TLDR the lockdowns will result in more deaths"

^this is your own invention, not found anywhere in the study, much less the actual, main conclusion.

It said the same..
Persons aged 2–19 years with moderate or severe obesity before the pandemic experienced significantly higher rates of increase in BMI, which translates to weight gain, compared with those with prepandemic healthy weight. During March–November 2020, persons with moderate or severe obesity gained on average 1.0 and 1.2 pounds per month, respectively. Weight gain at this rate over 6 months is estimated to result in 6.1 and start highlight7.3end highlight pounds, respectively, compared with 2.7 pounds in a person with healthy weight. Accelerated weight gain, especially among children with overweight or obesity, can cause long-lasting metabolic changes that put children at risk for serious and costly co-occurring conditions, such as type 2 diabetes, hypertension, and depression

Taken together with the fact that obesity accounted for over 30% of hospitalization and that this worsens the risk for children.


Children diagnosed with obesity may suffer worse outcomes from COVID-19. In a study of COVID-19 cases in patients aged 18 years and younger, having obesity was associated with a 3.07 times higher risk of hospitalization and a 1.42 times higher risk of severe illness (intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, or death) when hospitalized

So yes more obesity will result in more death. Some from Covid and some from other illnesses down the road.

And since the obesity numbers are much higher than the number of children that died of Covid, especially if you exclude those in the obese category, then yes the lockdowns will result in more deaths among children than from Covid itself. (UNLESS the damage can be undone, which the original article also alludes to)

It puts the hysteria around vaccinating children into perspective as well. Those doses can rather be administered to at risk adults in other countries.
 

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As Christian said, "purely academic". If that was indeed the intended plan then you'd have to argue that the J6 riot saved democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You don't simultaneously plan a "legalese coup" and an riot that disrupts said coup.

Anyway glad to see the news is back to obsessing over this and relatively silent on the border issue. Besides falsely claiming that the migrants are being hit with whips.
 

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As Christian said, "purely academic". If that was indeed the intended plan then you'd have to argue that the J6 riot saved democracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You don't simultaneously plan a "legalese coup" and an riot that disrupts said coup.

Anyway glad to see the news is back to obsessing over this and relatively silent on the border issue. Besides falsely claiming that the migrants are being hit with whips.
Your absolute dedication to staying in-character as a drooling, booger picking, shoes on the wrong foot wearing, cork on your fork so you don't hurt yourself, gu-gu-gu-gud brain, simple Jack character, just to troll this thread is remarkable, Kieppie.

"If that was indeed the intended plan then you'd have to argue that the J6 riot saved democracy"

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Two minutes later...

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"You don't simultaneously plan a "legalese coup" and an riot that disrupts said coup."

Unless you're not certain the linchpin of your plan will commit to your coup... Then you have an insurrection as a back-up plan to usurp power, and exact revenge on that linchpin for good measure.


How are you so bad at this, simple Jack?
 

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It said the same..


Taken together with the fact that obesity accounted for over 30% of hospitalization and that this worsens the risk for children.




So yes more obesity will result in more death. Some from Covid and some from other illnesses down the road.

And since the obesity numbers are much higher than the number of children that died of Covid, especially if you exclude those in the obese category, then yes the lockdowns will result in more deaths among children than from Covid itself. (UNLESS the damage can be undone, which the original article also alludes to)

It puts the hysteria around vaccinating children into perspective as well. Those doses can rather be administered to at risk adults in other countries.
There has been a steady rise in obesity rates in the US over the last 10+ years among all age groups. Among the 2-19 age group it was 18% in 2016, for example. The increase may have been a bit bigger over the pandemic, compared to the increases of previous years, but the trend is a steady rise in obesity. The problem with obesity in the US is much larger than just the pandemic and lockdowns and rates will continue to increase after the pandemic if more far reaching lifestyle changes are not implemented by people in general.

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There has been a steady rise in obesity rates in the US over the last 10+ years among all age groups. Among the 2-19 age group it was 18% in 2016, for example. The increase may have been a bit bigger over the pandemic, compared to the increases of previous years, but the trend is a steady rise in obesity. The problem with obesity in the US is much larger than just the pandemic and lockdowns and rates will continue to increase after the pandemic if more far reaching lifestyle changes are not implemented by people in general.

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Kieppie doesn't care about obesity, or kids... He cares about zygotes in a host body's incubation chamber.

If he really cared about obese kids, he'd have wailed on this...


But he didn't.
 
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Your absolute dedication to staying in-character as a drooling, booger picking, shoes on the wrong foot wearing, cork on your fork so you don't hurt yourself, gu-gu-gu-gud brain, simple Jack character, just to troll this thread is remarkable, Kieppie.

"If that was indeed the intended plan then you'd have to argue that the J6 riot saved democracy"

Et5lNX4XMAMAjH8


Two minutes later...

AP21041828624506.jpg


"You don't simultaneously plan a "legalese coup" and an riot that disrupts said coup."

Unless you're not certain the linchpin of your plan will commit to your coup... Then you have an insurrection as a back-up plan to usurp power, and exact revenge on that linchpin for good measure.


How are you so bad at this, simple Jack?
You can see the nuclear football in that picture.

They changed the security protocols for this football, because of the little "tourist" event at the Capitol on Jan 6.
 
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