US Politics: Bike tricks

[cerebus]

The media hit pieces have been on De Santis since he took an alternative path during the covid pandemic though. Democrats are kak scared of De Santis because they have a huge leadership vacuum at the moment and no-one who can go toe-to-toe with De Santis. I think Trump's legal troubles will doom him and Biden has a higher chance of re election against Trump than De Santis.

Yeah well DeSantis has a personality vacuum and all the racist stunts in the world can’t make up for that. I maintain that he’s small-time.

 

[konfab]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572984208825655296

"wE NEED tHE gOvernment To REGUlAte THE banKs"

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

You just contradicted yourself. But I’ll bet you a burger on Desantis losing and another burger that should be lose he’ll claim there was something wrong with the election?

I will take you on that offer - must be a Nandos burger though . Just to be clear, we are talking about the gubernatorial race in Nov. 2022?

 

[ScrooV]

DeSantis to face trial for suspension of prosecutor who defied abortion ban law

Andrew Warren, a Democrat, sued Florida governor for suspension after saying he would not enforce new 15-week abortion law

www.theguardian.com

 

[Emjay]

The media hit pieces have been on De Santis since he took an alternative path during the covid pandemic though. Democrats are kak scared of De Santis because they have a huge leadership vacuum at the moment and no-one who can go toe-to-toe with De Santis. I think Trump's legal troubles will doom him and Biden has a higher chance of re election against Trump than De Santis.

All polls have Trump in a massive lead over De Santis.

The latest NY lawsuit is nonsense and is not going to go far. The only thing that may prevent Trump from running is the raid on his property. I am pretty sure it's going to turn out to be nothing, yet again.

 

[Emjay]

Pretty sure it’s only incitement if you identify as an extreme MAGA Republican. Biden is just firing up his base and not nearly as polarizing as Trumps rally rhetoric. As for Trump winning - it was probably more to do with the dislike of Hillary in certain states assumed to be a lock - remember she still won the popular vote just lost due to electoral system. Trump politics has had its experiment and run its course imho but we’ll see how the midterms and next presidential election unfold.

It is still a double standard no matter which way you try and frame it.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Democrats ‘Charity’ Voter-Registration Scheme

A New York Times article this week confirmed a political reality that Republicans have been slow to publicize: Democrats are openly abusing charities to stack voter rolls in their favor. The Times story was ostensibly about “voter registration” groups worried that donors weren’t giving enough to “democracy-related” programs this midterm cycle. Read closely and you notice the story is entirely about Democrats, confirming a longstanding scheme by which foundations and private donors funnel tax-exempt dollars into “charities” that microtarget and register Democratic voters.

Among those quoted was Nsé Ufot, head of the New Georgia Project, which the Times credits with helping “turn Georgia into a blue state” by “registering tens of thousands of voters of color.” Ms. Ufot bemoaned “an overall dip in fundraising” from the likes of George Soros’s Open Society Foundations and the Democracy Fund: “Folks who think Georgia is competitive do not understand what made Georgia competitive.”

The Ufot comments are stunning, given the New Georgia Project is a organized as a charity, donations to which are tax-exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the tax code. Such groups, as the Internal Revenue Service notes, are prohibited from engaging in “voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates.” Yet here is Ms. Ufot openly fretting that without more Democracy Fund cash, she won’t be able to elect more Democrats.

The left has been growing this “philanthropy” racket for decades, and as a seven-page internal 2019 memo, leaked in 2020, reveals, it is now a giant operation. The memo was from Mind the Gap, a liberal super PAC that pushes donors to give to Democratic campaigns and nonprofits. It explained that in 2020 “the single most effective tactic for ensuring Democratic victories” would be “501(c)(3) voter registration focused on underrepresented groups in the electorate.”

 

[Emjay]

Democrats ‘Charity’ Voter-Registration Scheme

The article was mistaken. Abusing charities to stack voter rolls in the Democrat's favor is just reinforcement of "democracy".

 

[cerebus]

Pretty sure it’s only incitement if you identify as an extreme MAGA Republican. Biden is just firing up his base and not nearly as polarizing as Trumps rally rhetoric. As for Trump winning - it was probably more to do with the dislike of Hillary in certain states assumed to be a lock - remember she still won the popular vote just lost due to electoral system. Trump politics has had its experiment and run its course imho but we’ll see how the midterms and next presidential election unfold.

There's nothing inciting whatsoever in that speech. He's purely talking about MAGA Republican politicians in the context of the general elections. Trying to connect that with the case of Shannon Brandt is beyond a stretch.

 

[Emjay]

There's nothing inciting whatsoever in that speech. He's purely talking about MAGA Republican politicians in the context of the general elections. Trying to connect that with the case of Shannon Brandt is beyond a stretch.

You don't think equating MAGA and Trump supporters to extremists and telling the country that they are a threat is going to incite people to be violent against them?

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

There's nothing inciting whatsoever in that speech. He's purely talking about MAGA Republican politicians in the context of the general elections. Trying to connect that with the case of Shannon Brandt is beyond a stretch.

LOL!

 

[cerebus]

You don't think equating MAGA and Trump supporters to extremists and telling the country that they are a threat is going to incite people to be violent against them?

No, because he never incited violence. He never even implied it, in fact the opposite. And MAGA Republicans are anti-democratic extremists who want to overturn elections. It's just a fact. Trump has now overtly embraced QAnon.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571471956645449728

 

[Emjay]

No, because he never incited violence. He never even implied it, in fact the opposite. And MAGA Republicans are anti-democratic extremists who want to overturn elections. It's just a fact. Trump has now overtly embraced QAnon.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571471956645449728

Except there was a young man who was brutally murdered for being a Republican not days ago.

You even made the same sort of leap a few years ago, yet now you are singing a different tune?

Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

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No standards whatsoever. It's just a fact.

 

[quovadis]

I will take you on that offer - must be a Nandos burger though . Just to be clear, we are talking about the gubernatorial race in Nov. 2022?

Regular burger of any national chain including Nandos And yip - Nov 2022.

 

[quovadis]

It is still a double standard no matter which way you try and frame it.

Where's your outrage then regarding Trump? Pretty sure he's said worse and more often...

 

[cerebus]

Except there was a young man who was brutally murdered for being a Republican not days ago.

Biden didn't incite violence. Trump did, too many times to count. He positively encouraged violence against his protesters.

 

[Emjay]

Where's your outrage then regarding Trump? Pretty sure he's said worse and more often...

Trump has said pretty inflammatory things. It's right there in the link that I posted to cerebus. I don't think it's overt incitement by Biden, honestly. He is being told what to say, and the Democrats think the path to winning is by painting half of the country as extremists.

I literally have zero skin in this game, except to remind people of the pure hypocrisy. From a few on this forum and from the entirety of left wing media. A couple of us watched through the Trump presidency at the sheer lunacy of people. Now there are some stark similarities and people all of a sudden have rational thought again?

It's really entertaining to watch.

 

[Emjay]

Biden didn't incite violence. Trump did, too many times to count. He positively encouraged violence against his protesters.

Uhu.

So what is Biden doing by repeatedly calling his opposition dangerous extremists? Political theatre and rhetoric? And, while you are at it, tell us what measures are acceptable against extremists?

 

[ShaunSA]

Uhu.

So what is Biden doing by repeatedly calling his opposition dangerous extremists? Political theatre and rhetoric? And, while you are at it, tell us what measures are acceptable against extremists?

Wait. You're taking on someone who defended Amber Turd?

Brave soul!

 

[cerebus]

Uhu.

So what is Biden doing by repeatedly calling his opposition dangerous extremists? Political theatre and rhetoric? And, while you are at it, tell us what measures are acceptable against extremists?

He's not inciting violence. He's actually extremely careful in his speech to not overgeneralize to all conservatives, and to call for unity and an end to violence. He says it constantly and you're twisting his words if you say that anything in his speech could be construed as a justification for political violence.

Now Trump on the other hand - where to even start? Oh well here I guess:

The times Trump has advocated for violence

Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.

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State of play: Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.

• July 2017: During a speech to law enforcement officers in Long Island, New York, Trump seemingly encouraged police officers to be rough with people they were arresting, per ABC News. "Please don't be too nice," he told the audience.
• August 2017: In the aftermath of the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump failed to unequivocally condemn the violence and said "many sides" were to blame, failing to distinguish between those who participated in the "Unite the Right" rally and those who showed up in opposition to it.
• October 2018: While speaking at a Montana campaign rally, Trump publicly praised Montana's then-Rep. Greg Gianforte (R) — the state's current governor — for previously assaulting a reporter. "Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!" Trump said.
• October 2019: A New York Times report outlined various strategies Trump had allegedly deliberated to keep migrants away from the U.S. southern border, including a water-filled trench with snakes or alligators and shooting migrants in the legs to slow them down.
• May 2020: Trump used violent rhetoric when referring to protests in Minneapolis in the wake of George Floyd’s killing, tweeting, "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." The phrase has a racist history going back to police brutality against Black Americans in the 1960s, per the New York Times.
• June 2020: Trump threatened to use the U.S. military to quell Black Lives Matter protests across the country. "If a city or state refuses to take the actions necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump said.
• August 2020: Trump expressed interest in sending the National Guard to Portland, Oregon, to confront protesters, per Vox. "We could fix Portland in, I would say, 45 minutes," Trump said.
• September 2020: Trump lauded law enforcement officers for killing Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described Antifa member suspected of killing a right-wing activist the previous month. "That’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution," Vox reported.
• September 2020: When offered the chance to unequivocally condemn white supremacist violence during the first presidential debate, Trump failed to do so, instead telling the far-right Proud Boys that they should "stand back and stand by."
• January 2021: At a rally preceding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, Trump repeated false claims that the 2020 election had been stolen and told supporters that "we're going to walk down to the Capitol," adding that "you'll never take back our country with weakness."

As for what measures are acceptable against extremists - firstly voting against anyone who supports the current GOP is very acceptable. If they go too far and do things like say attacking the capitol building, then they should be tried and convicted. It isn't a job for vigilante justice.