US Politics: Bike tricks

[konfab]

Not to mention that Russia also has 10 ballistic missile submarines that could just as easily be parked on the US's doorstep..

Which is the situation you unfortunately have to be in, in order to avoid nuclear war.

Neither side would want to be in that situation. Russia wouldn't want US subs on its doorstep. US doesn't want Russian subs on its doorstep. Therefore when the alternative is your own complete destruction, you go to the negotiation table.

This is what the Soviets did to prevent the US from re-invading Cuba after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. They put nukes on the US's door. US had their cannons aimed at Russia and we had the cuban missile crisis.

 

[cerebus]

Which is the situation you unfortunately have to be in, in order to avoid nuclear war.

Neither side would want to be in that situation. Russia wouldn't want US subs on its doorstep. US doesn't want Russian subs on its doorstep. Therefore when the alternative is your own complete destruction, you go to the negotiation table.

This is what the Soviets did to prevent the US from re-invading Cuba after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. They put nukes on the US's door. US had their cannons aimed at Russia and we had the cuban missile crisis.

Nobody is yet in a crisis. Russia has talked about nukes but so far it's just bluster. Putting subs on their lawn would be a serious escalation from the US. We'll see what happens if Putin goes further.

 

[Kieppie]

Nobody is yet in a crisis. Russia has talked about nukes but so far it's just bluster. Putting subs on their lawn would be a serious escalation from the US. We'll see what happens if Putin goes further.

I'd call this pretty serious already, despite being meaningless strategically.

Poland suggests hosting US nuclear weapons amid growing fears of Putin’s threats

Request is widely seen as symbolic, as moving nuclear warheads closer to Russia would make them less militarily useful

www.theguardian.com

All this bluster yet not really any news regarding negotiations.
At one point people will have to decide what is Ukraine worth and at the end of the day the answer is not that much w.r.t. potential global ramifications.

 

[Howdy]

I'd call this pretty serious already, despite being meaningless strategically.

Poland suggests hosting US nuclear weapons amid growing fears of Putin’s threats

Request is widely seen as symbolic, as moving nuclear warheads closer to Russia would make them less militarily useful

www.theguardian.com

All this bluster yet not really any news regarding negotiations.
At one point people will have to decide what is Ukraine worth and at the end of the day the answer is not that much w.r.t. potential global ramifications.

Imagine if Russia had to redo missiles in Cuba.

 

[konfab]

I'd call this pretty serious already, despite being meaningless strategically.

Poland suggests hosting US nuclear weapons amid growing fears of Putin’s threats

Request is widely seen as symbolic, as moving nuclear warheads closer to Russia would make them less militarily useful

www.theguardian.com

All this bluster yet not really any news regarding negotiations.
At one point people will have to decide what is Ukraine worth and at the end of the day the answer is not that much w.r.t. potential global ramifications.

It isn't worth much at the moment because the countries that are supporting Ukraine have their own major (and self-imposed) economic challenges.

This is why Putin, for all you can say about him, timed the invasion perfectly whether by accident or not. There was an opportunity when most if not all Western Countries have printed off huge amounts of money thus causing inflation, destroyed their economies with lockdowns and have sabotaged their energy infrastructure with nuclear and climate fear mongering.

The Democrats in the US are going to have to fight an election where the economy is in the toilet, yet they want to fund a war in a foreign country?

The other issue is that Ukraine is culturally, and economically very far away from the US, which is why the regime needs to crank the propaganda up to the max to get people to give a **** such that politicians can justify it.

I mean just economically, a dirty little sh!thole run by communists at the bottom of Africa is more important to the US in the places where it counts than Ukraine.

Exports

South Africa was the United States' 45th largest goods export market in 2019.

Imports

South Africa was the United States' 35th largest supplier of goods imports in 2019

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa/southern-africa/south-africa

Exports

Ukraine was the United States' 59th largest goods export market in 2019.

Imports

Ukraine was the United States' 59th largest goods export market in 2019.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/ukraine

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578384743149740033

 

[rietrot]

Which is the situation you unfortunately have to be in, in order to avoid nuclear war.

Neither side would want to be in that situation. Russia wouldn't want US subs on its doorstep. US doesn't want Russian subs on its doorstep. Therefore when the alternative is your own complete destruction, you go to the negotiation table.

This is what the Soviets did to prevent the US from re-invading Cuba after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. They put nukes on the US's door. US had their cannons aimed at Russia and we had the cuban missile crisis.

America is crazy enough to pull some first strike BS. I would not suggest escalating to that level.

Even in the Cuban missile crisis Russia had to back down first.

The US will not back down in a game of chicken. This is now known. So no need to play that game

 

[Kieppie]

It isn't worth much at the moment because the countries that are supporting Ukraine have their own major (and self-imposed) economic challenges.

This is why Putin, for all you can say about him, timed the invasion perfectly whether by accident or not. There was an opportunity when most if not all Western Countries have printed off huge amounts of money thus causing inflation, destroyed their economies with lockdowns and have sabotaged their energy infrastructure with nuclear and climate fear mongering.

The Democrats in the US are going to have to fight an election where the economy is in the toilet, yet they want to fund a war in a foreign country?

The other issue is that Ukraine is culturally, and economically very far away from the US, which is why the regime needs to crank the propaganda up to the max to get people to give a **** such that politicians can justify it.

I mean just economically, a dirty little sh!thole run by communists at the bottom of Africa is more important to the US in the places where it counts than Ukraine.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa/southern-africa/south-africa

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/ukraine

Just to throw another spanner in the works. The US MiC sure didn't have to wait long since Afghanistan. How much of the $100B the us "loaned" went to buying US arms.
Also funny to see how quickly people turn into war hawks depending on what news they are fed.

 

[Kieppie]

Eish

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578376341875032065

 

[Temujin]

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578414266893230080

 

[Temujin]

Hehe they've been doing this and worse to businesses all over Portland for a couple of years now but THIS particular incident has Ted all excited. I wonder why this one and not all the millions of other businesses

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1577789446245994496

Acab antifa fascists(obviously, its portland afterall, I'm actually surprised any businesses still exist)

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

More of this please.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/business/economy/biden-chip-technology.html

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration on Friday announced sweeping new limits on the sale of semiconductor technology to China, a step aimed at crippling Beijing’s ability to access critical technologies that are needed for everything from supercomputing to guiding weapons.

The moves are the clearest sign yet that a dangerous standoff between the world’s two major superpowers is increasingly playing out in the technological sphere, with the U.S. trying to establish a stranglehold on advanced computing and semiconductor technology that are essential to China’s military and economic ambitions.

Technology experts said the rules appear to impose the broadest export controls issued in a decade, similar to the Trump administration’s crackdown on telecom giant Huawei, but wider in scope, since they affect dozens of Chinese firms. In contrast to the Trump administration’s approach — which was viewed as aggressive but scattershot — the rules appear to establish a more comprehensive policy that will stop technology exports to a range of Chinese technology companies and cut off China’s nascent ability to produce advanced chips itself.

“It is an aggressive approach by the U.S. government to start to really impair the capability of China to indigenously develop certain of these critical technologies,” said Emily Kilcrease, a senior fellow at Center for a New American Security, a think tank.

Perhaps most significantly, the Biden administration also imposed broad international restrictions that will prohibit companies anywhere in the world from selling chips used in artificial intelligence and supercomputing in China, if they are made with U.S. technology, software or machinery. The restrictions used what is know as the foreign direct product rule, which was last utilized by former President Donald J. Trump to cripple Huawei.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

I'd call this pretty serious already, despite being meaningless strategically.

Poland suggests hosting US nuclear weapons amid growing fears of Putin’s threats

Request is widely seen as symbolic, as moving nuclear warheads closer to Russia would make them less militarily useful

www.theguardian.com

All this bluster yet not really any news regarding negotiations.
At one point people will have to decide what is Ukraine worth and at the end of the day the answer is not that much w.r.t. potential global ramifications.

TBH, right now in the US, the fact that prices are high, is a bigger issue than Russia.
About 3 hours ago, I spoke to guy about UA and Russia - we ended up talking about the price of pizza
Apparently Papa Johns at up at $18 from $15 a pizza is more important than a nuke.

Nobody in the US is really seeing the nuke threat as being serious, and, as you all know, Murica is the world - half these folks wouldn't know where Ukraine is.

 

[Kieppie]

TBH, right now in the US, the fact that prices are high, is a bigger issue than Russia.
About 3 hours ago, I spoke to guy about UA and Russia - we ended up talking about the price of pizza
Apparently Papa Johns at up at $18 from $15 a pizza is more important than a nuke.

Nobody in the US is really seeing the nuke threat as being serious, and, as you all know, Murica is the world - half these folks wouldn't know where Ukraine is.

Yeah always though the US's lack of awareness of the world is quite odd, laughing at those old clips of people pointing to Aus as Iraq or some such, until you realise their country is almost the size of Africa. And how much do we, as Africans, know about the state of politics or current affairs in most of the countries in our own continent?

Some of the YouTube shows I watch featuring yanks regularly complain about the cost of food and gas. And when they mention the price of something like a good steak or burger I just die inside
Have you educated them on the glory of biltong as opposed to jerky yet?

 

[konfab]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578440239844130828

Jokes write themselves.

 

[Howdy]

Acab antifa fascists(obviously, its portland afterall, I'm actually surprised any businesses still exist)

"... including federal hate crime charges."

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578440239844130828

Jokes write themselves.

I thought he was saying, maiden America, two words ............... then again, Sleepy Joe .......

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1578466030170476545

 

[rietrot]

Biden Pardons Thousands Of Pot Convicts, Orders Review Of Schedule I Status | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Little bit ass backwards. You would think you change the legal status of weed first and then pardon everyone. At least this way he can pardon all the new jail inmates for the next presidential elections aswell.