US Politics: Bike tricks

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I wonder if this one has a long term relationship with under age boys.

 

[Ponderer]

I wonder if this one has a long term relationship with under age boys.

Can you tell me to which political party (in the US) MAPers associate with?

 

[tetrasect]

No I don't fail at distinguishing, but you apparently have trouble with 95% or 4 year avg age difference.
At least sciencedirect has the 1% correct...


Anyone? So a 12 yr old is a pedophile? What about a 13 yr old? Where do you draw the line? An imagined 18?
You're obviously not very good with facts. A pedophile is attracted to underage, yes, but marrying someone young implies staying with them until they are no longer young. So again unless they purely do this to skirt the law then that is not the intent behind the action.
I have no idea why someone would want to marry with such a large age gap, but the reason for them doing this can vary from cultural like arranged marriages to what have you.
Again considering that "10 year olds" account for less than 1% of 1% I fail to see the point in trying to argue the validity of these exception.

You seem to have trouble comprehending that percetages are not the end-all. Over 60,000 marriages would be considered a sex crime if they were not married. 60,000. It doesn't matter what percent of total marriages that is because the number of non-sex crime marriages has zero bearing on the 60,000 that are sex-crime marriages.

Precisely. You incorrectly believe Republicans are pushing grooming by your misunderstanding of youth marriages. That's a you problem.

You seem to not know what the word grooming even means.

Sure, that's just your opinion though. Unless you have a study breaking down the sexual preferences of Drag Queens in the US?

You made the claim, you back it up.

Desmond is the one that's groomed. His parents are to blame.

Nolte: 11-Year-Old 'Drag Queen' Dances for Dollar Bills in Gay Bar

An 11-year-old boy known as "Desmond Is Amazing" danced on stage at a New York gay bar while grown men tossed dollar bills at him.

www.breitbart.com

There are many more such instances, but one example should suffice. Heck even Sen. Steve Santarsiero promoted a Drag Queen dance a while back.

Another one that caused a bit of a stir recently (all ages mind you)

A kid dressing up and dancing is not "grooming". Learn English.

Oops I guess he just forgot?

As far as I can see he's wearing underpants. And this is a one-time occurrence, not the norm.

I love how you pretend it's only about reading books, which in itself is a form of grooming, perhaps you're just clueless as to what is happening?
I mean you're one of those that believe the whole trans indoctrination is a concocted boogeyman. Yet we have numerous politicians doing just that, even the President and VP.

This is hilarious. You're accusing me of falsely thinking you're concocting a boogeyman while at the same time claiming that reading books is a form of grooming. Full blown mental.

Uhuh... refer back to the meme you defended. Perhaps you didn't understand said meme?

The meme doesn't accuse Republicans of grooming. It accuses them of upholding and creating child marriage laws that protect rapists. Again you seem to have a problem with the meaning of words.

No we're not.
First of all 55% of the youths are female 45% are male. So they aren't protecting "men".
Secondly you can't throw out the protection clause because of 1% (or more accurately 1% of 1%). The protections for religious freedoms exist for a reason.

Did you even go to highschool? The marriages that would be considered sex crimes are almost exclusively between an adult man and a female child.

So let people argue against the law using the actual overwhelming majority of cases.
Perhaps then the law will be changed.

If you can think of a way to formulate a law that would preclude these extreme cases without trampling the rights of the majority which aren't problematic then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

Again with the "It's only 1 percent of marriages that could be considered rape so it's fine" BS. You have no idea about how percentages work. You're probably one of those that 3 years ago said "Only 3% of humans will die from Covid so why should the other 97% wear masks?"

And again, marrying and having sex with children is not a constitutional right. If you actually believe it is then you are ultra cooked.

 

[tetrasect]

Oh and w.r.t. MAPS, here is an article that covers some of the arguments people try to use as a defence for it. It also contains segments which should make it clear why I differentiate between them and those involved with youth marriages.
Use it don't use it.

Most Child Sex Abusers Are Not Pedophiles, Expert Says

An increasing number of experts believe that pedophiles might not have a choice in the matter. We spoke with an expert to understand child sexual abuse, and whether or not pedophilia is really a sexual orientation.

www.vice.com

That article is just stating facts. There's no excuses for sexual abuse there. All it is doing is distinguishing between a rapist and a pedophile, which are in fact two completely different things.

What exactly do you disagree with in that article?

 

[Kieppie]

You seem to have trouble comprehending that percetages are not the end-all. Over 60,000 marriages would be considered a sex crime if they were not married. 60,000. It doesn't matter what percent of total marriages that is because the number of non-sex crime marriages has zero bearing on the 60,000 that are sex-crime marriages.


You seem to not know what the word grooming even means.


You made the claim, you back it up.


A kid dressing up and dancing is not "grooming". Learn English.


As far as I can see he's wearing underpants. And this is a one-time occurrence, not the norm.


This is hilarious. You're accusing me of falsely thinking you're concocting a boogeyman while at the same time claiming that reading books is a form of grooming. Full blown mental.


The meme doesn't accuse Republicans of grooming. It accuses them of upholding and creating child marriage laws that protect rapists. Again you seem to have a problem with the meaning of words.


Did you even go to highschool? The marriages that would be considered sex crimes are almost exclusively between an adult man and a female child.


Again with the "It's only 1 percent of marriages that could be considered rape so it's fine" BS. You have no idea about how percentages work. You're probably one of those that 3 years ago said "Only 3% of humans will die from Covid so why should the other 97% wear masks?"

And again, marrying and having sex with children is not a constitutional right. If you actually believe it is then you are ultra cooked.

 

[tetrasect]

Yet here you are, doing exactly that.

 

[Kieppie]

Yet here you are, doing exactly that.

Ah yes the typical "Not me, you" line. Well done. Should have guessed given your harping on about mythical 60k (15k max assuming all worst case scenarios) numbers..

*pat pat*

PS congrats on the retarded take on Desmond. Groomers unite!

 

[tetrasect]

Ah yes the typical "Not me, you" line. Well done. Should have guessed given your harping on about mythical 60k (15k max assuming all worst case scenarios) numbers..

*pat pat*

Wow. You can neither read nor count. Keep going, I'm curious to see what other basic skills you lack.

PS congrats on the retarded take on Desmond. Groomers unite!

You should look up the definition of that word. Dancing ain't it.

 

[Kieppie]

Wow. You can neither read nor count. Keep going, I'm curious to see what other basic skills you lack.

Yeah and you lack the mental fortitude to know what 95% 16-17yr olds means, or what the 4yr avg age difference implies.
Adulting is hard for you.

You should look up the definition of that word. Dancing ain't it.

Ah yes an 11 yr old drag queen stripping and receiving money is totally not grooming. Ok groomer.

 

[tetrasect]

Yeah and you lack the mental fortitude to know what 95% 16-17yr olds means, or what the 4yr avg age difference implies.
Adulting is hard for you.

100 percent could be 16-17 year olds, and they would all be considered sex crimes if the age difference of the adult is higher than legally allowed. I'm getting tired of explaining simple concepts to you. I recommend going back to school or getting checked for early onset dementia.

Ah yes an 11 yr old drag queen stripping and receiving money is totally not grooming. Ok groomer.

Oh really? 11 year old stripping? Once again, try looking up the definition of that word.

And no, neither stripping nor receiving money is the same as grooming.

Your fabrication and use of these alternative meanings of words has ejected you out of the realm of reality into some alternate make-believe fantasy world that exists only in your own mind. This has been going on for a while now and it is troubling to say the least.

It's become impossible to have a conversation with you because you do not abide by the definition of words in the English language.

 

[Temujin]

 

[Kieppie]

100 percent could be 16-17 year olds, and they would all be considered sex crimes if the age difference of the adult is higher than legally allowed. I'm getting tired of explaining simple concepts to you. I recommend going back to school or getting checked for early onset dementia.

Age difference is irrelevant when someone is above the age of consent. You clearly don't know how statutoury rape and age of consent works do you?
Combine that with the so called Romio & Juliet laws, together with the avg 4 year age gap and your argument falls flat on it's face.
States that do not have these exemption laws are behind the times.
Do continue talking about the rare exceptions though, I mean that's how retarded people debate afterall...

Oh really? 11 year old stripping? Once again, try looking up the definition of that word.

You're being clueless again, what a surprise. Let me guess you think that stripping implies you have to be nude or even partially nude.

And no, neither stripping nor receiving money is the same as grooming.

Your fabrication and use of these alternative meanings of words has ejected you out of the realm of reality into some alternate make-believe fantasy world that exists only in your own mind. This has been going on for a while now and it is troubling to say the least.

It's become impossible to have a conversation with you because you do not abide by the definition of words in the English language.

You're defending child grooming by adults in a adult setting, doing adult activities. But at the same time attacking youth marriages where the overwhelming majority are all within the laws even without these "exceptions"
Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your understanding of the English language?

 

[Kieppie]

No wonder child grooming is on the rise on the left, they lack their own and a purpose in life.
Atomised individuals in action.

 

[tetrasect]

Age difference is irrelevant when someone is above the age of consent. You clearly don't know how statutoury rape and age of consent works do you?
Combine that with the so called Romio & Juliet laws, together with the avg 4 year age gap and your argument falls flat on it's face.
States that do not have these exemption laws are behind the times.
Do continue talking about the rare exceptions though, I mean that's how retarded people debate afterall...

The only thing that's retarded is your BS argument.

You're being clueless again, what a surprise. Let me guess you think that stripping implies you have to be nude or even partially nude.

Yes, that's what stripping is. Or maybe you go to strip clubs where the women take off their winter coat and leave the stage.

You're defending child grooming by adults in a adult setting, doing adult activities. But at the same time attacking youth marriages where the overwhelming majority are all within the laws even without these "exceptions"

You're defending 60,000 statutory rapists having sex with children but at the same time attacking an 11 year old kid who likes to dress up and dance.

Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your understanding of the English language?

No need. I have a firm grasp on the English language as well as a dictionary. Seems you have neither.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Good stuff lad (remember De Santis hasn't officially declared yet).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640375126876209154

 

[Kieppie]

The only thing that's retarded is your BS argument.

Bloody hell you're lacking in comprehension of basics. Acceptable age has nothing to do with age of consent.

Age of consent is referred to as "unrestricted age". IE no limitations on partner.
Then you have "By Authority" where there is slightly more leeway, assuming the partner is not in a position of trust or authority.
Then you have the "Age" bracket where the acceptable age difference comes into play. AKA Romeo & Juliet.
These vary from states to state and not all have all these versions.

The more you know...

Yes, that's what stripping is. Or maybe you go to strip clubs where the women take off their winter coat and leave the stage.

No it's not, perhaps go get out of your little bubble.. I'm sure google can help you with life experience.

You're defending 60,000 statutory rapists having sex with children but at the same time attacking an 11 year old kid who likes to dress up and dance.

I'm not defending 60k as there isn't anywhere close to 60k. It's utter BS that only a fool will believe. I already state I don't condone the extreme examples, but you refuse to offer a solution that protects the rights of the majority, but at the same time get rid of these extremes.
The majority would fall under the Romeo & Juliet clause unless you're of the opinion that a couple suddenly becomes illegal if one partner turns 18?

And he doesn't "dance". He strips, dances in sexulized fashion in an adult setting and takes money from adults <= Grooming for those dense people out there.
Blame the parents for this. Just like you should blame Jazz's parents.

No need. I have a firm grasp on the English language as well as a dictionary. Seems you have neither.

You seem to be lacking comprehension skills, world experience and an understanding of what words mean.

 

[Kieppie]

Good stuff lad (remember De Santis hasn't officially declared yet).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640375126876209154

Yeah Trump needs to stop with his silly attacks against DeSantis. He can leave this for the primaries if he wish.
His trolling of the media will also grow stale amongst his supporters, so he better start pushing his actual campaign.
He should focus on highlighting the innumerable weaknesses of the government under Biden.

 

[tetrasect]

I'm not defending 60k as there isn't anywhere close to 60k. It's utter BS that only a fool will believe.

I said it was 40k plus an estimated 20k based on unavailability of data from some states, and I already linked to the study which actually looks at the marriage records, rather than spouting nonsense without anything to back it up with.

If you have better data or a better scientific study then bring it on, but your personal opinion that "it's utter BS" which seems to be based on a failed attempt at primary school level math ain't gonna cut it.

I already state I don't condone the extreme examples, but you refuse to offer a solution that protects the rights of the majority, but at the same time get rid of these extremes.

I already did. Children should not be getting married. Only Adults should.

And he doesn't "dance". dances in sexulized fashion in an adult setting and takes money from adults <= Grooming for those dense people out there.
Blame the parents for this. Just like you should blame Jazz's parents.
You seem to be lacking comprehension skills, world experience and an understanding of what words mean.

FFS dude. You can't just make up your own BS definitions of words.

Child grooming​

Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a minor under the age of consent, and sometimes the child's family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.

 

[Kieppie]

I'm glad you are now aware of what the age of consent and age differences actually mean. Now moving on..

I said it was 40k plus an estimated 20k based on unavailability of data from some states, and I already linked to the study which actually looks at the marriage records, rather than spouting nonsense without anything to back it up with.

Unavailability of records? When you need parental consent and in many cases that of a judge? Yeah those records must be really hard to find. Lets just slap a 50% on due to our uncertainty.

If you have better data or a better scientific study then bring it on, but your personal opinion that "it's utter BS" which seems to be based on a failed attempt at primary school level math ain't gonna cut it.

There is a glaring fault with the study. The states that make up the bulk of their "would be crimes" are states where they set the age of consent to 18, but allow for marriages.
Ironically those state's rational was that marriage is not exploitative in the same manner as nonmarital relationships, and therefore, married children do not require the same protections.
So putting it another way their conservative view regarding sex out of wedlock is what is causing this large disparity. This should be quite obvious no?

If they were to do away with their marriage exemptions they'll need to adjust their age of consent and Romeo & Juliet laws accordingly.
So again that 40k+-20k is meaningless.

Just going by the unchained own data, from which the study sourced, 95% of all marriages are 16-17 yr olds with a 4yrs age gap (IE romeo & Juliet range). There is really no issue with these as that lines up with average age of consent in the US and even in Europe for that matter.

I already did. Children should not be getting married.

Haha that "commonsense" word so beloved by the Dems...Most parents prefer that children not be have sex, but they do so much more frequently than the few that decide to get married.

FFS dude. You can't just make up your own BS definition of words.

Child grooming​

Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a minor under the age of consent, and sometimes the child's family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.

Says the person that didn't know stripping doesn't have to be nude...
So what are those men who are encouraging his behaviour doing exactly? They are befriending him, establishing emotional connection with him and encouraging his behaviour.
What are the parents doing that pushed him or enabled such behaviour?

 

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