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konfab

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Konfab: unemployed people shouldn’t have debt forgiveness
Also konfab: the wealthiest people in society are being given free money

Just fyi, people earning below 125000/year are NOT the wealthiest members of society
The people who study gender studies are unemployable, that doesn't mean they are from a poor background, as university students are orders of magnitude more likely to be from wealthier households.
 

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The people who study gender studies are unemployable, that doesn't mean they are from a poor background, as university students are orders of magnitude more likely to be from wealthier households.

Students from wealthy backgrounds are orders of magnitude more likely to not have debt. Those from poorer backgrounds who do lower paying but still needed degrees such as social work are creating a drag on the economy, getting married later, and so on.
 

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Students from wealthy backgrounds are orders of magnitude more likely to not have debt. Those from poorer backgrounds who do lower paying but still needed degrees such as social work are creating a drag on the economy, getting married later, and so on.
That's your mistake right there. You never "need" a degree and then struggle to pay for it. Also by going to schools such as Harvard, where the one guy in the tweet teaches, you're already in the top 0.1% of the population.
So no, people who pick less useful qualifications or are less fiscally responsible should NOT be bailed out from the taxes of less well off citizens that did not even have the privilege of tertiary education.
It's a massive slap in the face of those that worked their butts off to pay off their loans over many years while simultaneously making many personal sacrifices.

Since free schooling is not likely in the US I'm open to discussion around forgiving or capping interest rates on such loans. A good start would be to implement this only at community colleges.
 

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That's your mistake right there. You never "need" a degree and then struggle to pay for it. Also by going to schools such as Harvard, where the one guy in the tweet teaches, you're already in the top 0.1% of the population.
So no, people who pick less useful qualifications or are less fiscally responsible should NOT be bailed out from the taxes of less well off citizens that did not even have the privilege of tertiary education.
It's a massive slap in the face of those that worked their butts off to pay off their loans over many years while simultaneously making many personal sacrifices.

Since free schooling is not likely in the US I'm open to discussion around forgiving or capping interest rates on such loans. A good start would be to implement this only at community colleges.
I don't even think it is worth it to fight this with logic and reason. It's a Biden policy so it will simply collapse into a pile oshít all on its own and under deliver.
People should just let it happen.
 

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It's a redistribution of wealth from the working class to the middle or upper class. It's grossly unfair.

Also should taxpayers really be subsidising idiots like Matt Gertz?


I enrolled at university in 1997, the year before the UK government took away student grants. Meaning the students who came after me were going to be saddled with more debt and higher cost for the same education. Now that’s what I consider grossly unfair.
 

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I enrolled at university in 1997, the year before the UK government took away student grants. Meaning the students who came after me were going to be saddled with more debt and higher cost for the same education. Now that’s what I consider grossly unfair.
Got my degree partially sponsored by ZA gov and the companies I worked for. Never got into debt. Managed to get my son 100% covered in the Netherlands where I think he'll probably stay. My sister's daughter has just finished in the UK and has massive debt - will take her years to work that off. University does not have to be available to everyone that wants it, but the determining factor to getting in, should not be how wealthy your folks are - but how competent or likely to pass you are - and should be covered in my opinion. There are people in their 40's still paying off student debt - that's insane.
 

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Got my degree partially sponsored by ZA gov and the companies I worked for. Never got into debt. Managed to get my son 100% covered in the Netherlands where I think he'll probably stay. My sister's daughter has just finished in the UK and has massive debt - will take her years to work that off. University does not have to be available to everyone that wants it, but the determining factor to getting in, should not be how wealthy your folks are - but how competent or likely to pass you are - and should be covered in my opinion. There are people in their 40's still paying off student debt - that's insane.

Oh my mum’s friend in Texas is in her late 50s and only just paid off her medical debt. Whatever you think it’s like in the UK, the US is 10x worse. It basically forces people to only get degrees that are going to result in higher incomes because otherwise they’re going to be struggling for years. And then so-called libertarians come and tell them that it’s the natural order of things because the world only needs engineers.
 

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Oh my mum’s friend in Texas is in her late 50s and only just paid off her medical debt. Whatever you think it’s like in the UK, the US is 10x worse. It basically forces people to only get degrees that are going to result in higher incomes because otherwise they’re going to be struggling for years. And then so-called libertarians come and tell them that it’s the natural order of things because the world only needs engineers.
The UK used to give full nurse scholarships, but now they'll have years of paying off that debt. Combine that with Brexit, and you wonder why people that voted for the Tories are surprised by understaffed hospitals. Doctors also only get limited help in training in the UK now.

It's become big business - especially in the US as you say, and the UK trying to emulate that, but it leads to universities enrolling people that are prepared to take on that debt over those that have worked hard. Standards drop, more people drop out, and the last generation or two are now paying for years, regardless of whether they passed or not. No incentive for the universities and loan companies to ensure students should even be there.
 
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We are indeed governed by fools...

The Half-Trillion-Dollar Student-Loan Executive Coup

Worse than the cost is the moral hazard and awful precedent this sets. Those who will pay for this write-off are the tens of millions of Americans who didn’t go to college, or repaid their debt, or skimped and saved to pay for college, or chose lower-cost schools to avoid a debt trap. This is a college graduate bailout paid for by plumbers and FedEx drivers.

Colleges will also capitalize by raising tuition to capture the write-off windfall. A White House fact sheet hilariously says that colleges will “have an obligation to keep prices reasonable and ensure borrowers get value for their investments, not debt they cannot afford.” Only a fool could believe colleges will do this.

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It’s important to appreciate that there has never been an executive action of this costly magnitude in peacetime. Not Mr. Obama’s immigration amnesties, not his Clean Power Plan, not Mr. Trump’s border-wall fund diversion. Nothing comes close to this half-trillion-dollar or more executive coup.

Congress authorized none of Mr. Biden’s loan relief and appropriated no funds for it. Progressives say the Higher Education Act of 1965 lets the Education Secretary “compromise” (i.e., modify) student debt. But the Federal Claims Collection Act of 1966 sets very limited terms and strict procedures for such “compromise.”
 

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As sam said, irrelevant, doesnt matter how criminal hillary, biden and co are and what conspiracy theories they and media spin, its all justified cos orangemanbad
The word "Trump" is the literal real world Sorting Hat to identify TDS lib sufferers. Mention it and they can't help themselves.
 
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