US Politics: Bike tricks

[Kieppie]

Keep moving that goal post. I didn't consider convictions but it would be even more rare if you consider not all arrests lead to convictions. Not quite sure why you don't understand the importance of establishing a baseline.

You moved it not me.
The site I linked you to stated "convictions", hence why I mentioned it. So actual homicide proportions would be much more.
You can see why it would then be pointless to compare it to total homicide number, which is why your estimate is so far removed from actual data of previous studies.

Anyhow, still seems much of a nothing-burger when placed in context unless you want to promote baseless fear.

It's an drastic increase in recent years and has various other knock on effects. Strong borders are a key ingredient for any successful country.
Some interest groups don't want to fix it since they stand to gain from it. Strange that those on the left that used to say something similar are now singing a different tune.

Coincidently I'm all for throwing open all borders across the world and to let a natural homeostasis process prevail, but somehow I doubt the world is ready for what that will mean.

 

[quovadis]

You moved it not me.
The site I linked you to stated "convictions", hence why I mentioned it. So actual homicide proportions would be much more.
You can see why it would then be pointless to compare it to total homicide number, which is why your estimate is so far removed from actual data of previous studies.


It's an drastic increase in recent years and has various other knock on effects. Strong borders are a key ingredient for any successful country.
Some interest groups don't want to fix it since they stand to gain from it. Strange that those on the left that used to say something similar are now singing a different tune.

Coincidently I'm all for throwing open all borders across the world and to let a natural homeostasis process prevail, but somehow I doubt the world is ready for what that will mean.

An increase on a tiny incident rate is still a tiny incident rate and massively disproportionate. There is no open border policy and by all indications border security has improved with more funding than ever before. You have offered nothing but criticise the very data you used to support your assertions.

 

[Temujin]

 

[cerebus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570948092777701376

 

[quovadis]

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570948092777701376

More fake news: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/16/desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-00057300

“If they’re being transported against their will, it calls into question the human trafficking statutes. So far, nothing indicates they’re being held captive. They’re not being handcuffed and put on buses. So it’s unlikely that federal criminal trafficking statutes will come into play,” said Steven Block, a Chicago attorney at Thompson Hine and former assistant U.S. attorney who handled trafficking and corruption cases.

But if migrants are being coerced, “then it gets more nuanced,” he said in an interview.

“If someone is told, ‘Hey, get on the bus. We’re going to Chicago because we have a job for you’ and it’s not true, that person has been victimized.”

 

[Kieppie]

An increase on a tiny incident rate is still a tiny incident rate and massively disproportionate. There is no open border policy and by all indications border security has improved with more funding than ever before. You have offered nothing but criticise the very data you used to support your assertions.

You're still wrong. It's not massively disproportionate, as I said actual studies put it at x2 not x12 as you incorrectly estimated. Actually quite easy to explain why you "see" less incidents among illegals comparatively. So any increase in illegals is an increase which should not be there.
That is only for the direct effects. If you can't see how pressure on low skill labour market by the illegals causes problems then that is a you problem.

The Democrats have been against strong borders since Trump made that one of his campaign promises, stop trying to gaslight everyone here who watched the news cycle during that time.

 

[Gnarls]

You're still wrong. It's not massively disproportionate, as I said actual studies put it at x2 not x12 as you incorrectly estimated. Actually quite easy to explain why you "see" less incidents among illegals comparatively. So any increase in illegals is an increase which should not be there.
That is only for the direct effects. If you can't see how pressure on low skill labour market by the illegals causes problems then that is a you problem.

The Democrats have been against strong borders since Trump made that one of his campaign promises, stop trying to gaslight everyone here who watched the news cycle during that time.

Called it!

Cue gaslighting to tell you how this never happened.

 

[quovadis]

You're still wrong. It's not massively disproportionate, as I said actual studies put it at x2 not x12 as you incorrectly estimated. Actually quite easy to explain why you "see" less incidents among illegals comparatively. So any increase in illegals is an increase which should not be there.
That is only for the direct effects. If you can't see how pressure on low skill labour market by the illegals causes problems then that is a you problem.

The Democrats have been against strong borders since Trump made that one of his campaign promises, stop trying to gaslight everyone here who watched the news cycle during that time.

I'd love to see your math on that one.

As for you now moving to labour good luck to any illegal immigrant getting any meaningful employment without employment authorisation that any citizen would actually want. But why do they need jobs if they're committing crime at the rates you're suggesting?

I'm not trying to gaslight anyone. The democrats historically have been the most aggressive towards enforcement unless you have selective memory. Sanctuary cities were championed by conservatives up until recently...

 

[cerebus]

More fake news: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/16/desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-00057300

Um it’s right there in your own quote:

But if migrants are being coerced, “then it gets more nuanced,” he said in an interview.

“If someone is told, ‘Hey, get on the bus. We’re going to Chicago because we have a job for you’ and it’s not true, that person has been victimized.”

Migrants were promised jobs, free housing before being taken to Martha's Vineyard

The 50 Venezuelan migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard from Texas say they were promised jobs and free housing.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Kieppie]

I'd love to see your math on that one.

Not my math, it's an actual government study.

As for you now moving to labour good luck to any illegal immigrant getting any meaningful employment without employment authorisation that any citizen would actually want. But why do they need jobs if they're committing crime at the rates you're suggesting?

What does meaningful employment have to do with it? It is low paid under the table cash deals. Undermining existing low skilled citizens that would be more expensive due to regulations. This isn't that hard.

I'm not trying to gaslight anyone. The democrats historically have been the most aggressive towards enforcement unless you have selective memory. Sanctuary cities were championed by conservatives up until recently...

HAhahahaaha
Ah must say that's a very good sense of humour you have there.
Yes yes must be why even back in Bush years the Republicans were celebrating when a few Democrats voted along with them on border security.

 

[quovadis]

Not my math, it's an actual government study.

Share then

What does meaningful employment have to do with it? It is low paid under the table cash deals. Undermining existing low skilled citizens that would be more expensive due to regulations. This isn't that hard.

Even rural jobs dont have under the table cash deals. They have seasonal labour which is cheap. Find Americans complaining they are being displaced by illegal migrants.

HAhahahaaha
Ah must say that's a very good sense of humour you have there.
Yes yes must be why even back in Bush years the Republicans were celebrating when a few Democrats voted along with them on border security.

Bill Clinton

 

[Kieppie]

Um it’s right there in your own quote:

But if migrants are being coerced, “then it gets more nuanced,” he said in an interview.

“If someone is told, ‘Hey, get on the bus. We’re going to Chicago because we have a job for you’ and it’s not true, that person has been victimized.”

Migrants were promised jobs, free housing before being taken to Martha's Vineyard

The 50 Venezuelan migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard from Texas say they were promised jobs and free housing.

www.usatoday.com

You easily fall for these fake articles don't you?
I recall just last week you went with the conspiracy about Trump being in DC, then the "secret mob" meeting on a golf course. Some even claimed people who weren't even there, were

Sadly for you DeSantis broke no law, he is more well versed in law than those commenting on it after all, so don't let them get your hopes up. I've seen some people incorrectly using 8 U.S. Code § 1324.
Anything to distract the public from the economy ahead of the midterms amirite

 

[quovadis]

You easily fall for these fake articles don't you?

Says the guy who is obsessed with fox news and nypost

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Um it’s right there in your own quote:

But if migrants are being coerced, “then it gets more nuanced,” he said in an interview.

“If someone is told, ‘Hey, get on the bus. We’re going to Chicago because we have a job for you’ and it’s not true, that person has been victimized.”

Migrants were promised jobs, free housing before being taken to Martha's Vineyard

The 50 Venezuelan migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard from Texas say they were promised jobs and free housing.

www.usatoday.com

Nope. It's definitely, 100% not human trafficking:

So far, nothing indicates they’re being held captive. They’re not being handcuffed and put on buses. So it’s unlikely that federal criminal trafficking statutes will come into play,

Also the headline suggests it is not definitely illegal. It is more 'up in the air', so to speak.

 

[quovadis]

‘Huge mistake’: DeSantis’ migrant transports could undercut support in South Florida

The move by DeSantis dominated the radio and television airwaves in South Florida — where large swaths of Hispanic voters live.

www.politico.com

 

[quovadis]

DeSantis’ Migrant Stunt Is Kidnapping by Another Name

The outrage isn’t over immigrants entering a liberal community, it’s that they were reportedly lured under false promises of jobs and housing.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Kieppie]

Share then

I gave you enough info to find it, but anyway...

Comparing Crime Rates Between Undocumented Immigrants, Legal Immigrants, and Native-born US Citizens in Texas | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Now apply the surges we saw during the intervening years.

Even rural jobs dont have under the table cash deals. They have seasonal labour which is cheap. Find Americans complaining they are being displaced by illegal migrants.

Yes they do. Texas had a well know case where 160 illegals were caught in a single factory.

Bill Clinton

Hahaha no, you're just going off of deportation numbers nothing more. Even back then it was Republicans pushing for stronger border protections.
The difference is that back then there was still bipartisanship. I remember amongst others Feinstein supporting such efforts, even proposing some of her own which didn't pass, which led to an increase in spending and a change in the approach of how they deal with illegal immigrants.
Heck even until 2015 people were more bipartisan in support of stronger borders, Bernie Sanders famously said open borders is a "Koch brothers proposal", then Trump came along and everyone's brain broke.

 

[Kieppie]

DeSantis’ Migrant Stunt Is Kidnapping by Another Name

The outrage isn’t over immigrants entering a liberal community, it’s that they were reportedly lured under false promises of jobs and housing.

www.thedailybeast.com

Well if the dailybeast said it, it must be true /s

 

[Kieppie]

Says the guy who is obsessed with fox news and nypost

Laughs in Dailybeast. Merely opening that website lowers your IQ

I spread my articles around by the way. Nothing wrong with posting an odd article from Fox here and there. Even less is wrong with NYpost actually. It doubles as a good litmus test of who lives in a bubble.