US Politics: Bike tricks

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Translates: The spin factory is working overtime to bury the inability of some of the US's wealthiest in the Whineyard to deal with 50 immigrants.

Was it a brilliant move? Yes.
Did it result in these people getting cared for? You tell me, where else in the US will each migrant have 2.4 national guard to look out for them. Facts.

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Temujin

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Translates: The spin factory is working overtime to bury the inability of some of the US's wealthiest in the Whineyard to deal with 50 immigrants.

Was it a brilliant move? Yes.
Did it result in these people getting cared for? You tell me, where else in the US will each migrant have 2.4 national guard to look out for them. Facts.

:ROFL:
Laughable watching the 'eat the rich' folks defending them, its like disney not paying taxes all over again :giggle:
 

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Translates: The spin factory is working overtime to bury the inability of some of the US's wealthiest in the Whineyard to deal with 50 immigrants.

Was it a brilliant move? Yes.
Did it result in these people getting cared for? You tell me, where else in the US will each migrant have 2.4 national guard to look out for them. Facts.

:ROFL:
Hispanic voters are very staunchly anti illegal immigration and normal immigration hovers around 8th on their list of priorities.
They are undermining the hard work they went through to LEGALLY get to where they are and they're also one of the groups most affected by it. Politico article at least mentions actual Venezuelans saying this likely won't have an impact.

My prediction is that the only repercussion to this is that Biden will try and push legislation limiting the abilities of States to move illegals. In other words the typical authoritarian approach.
 

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Ah surprising absolutely no one...


Thompson told Axios the panel does not want to be "perceived as a partisan committee" ... But he also said that "the goal is to have … some information pushed out, obviously, before the November election.

How do you say election interference from partisan committee without saying it? Fortifying?
 

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I gave you enough info to find it, but anyway...
I'm confused? This is data solely for Texas - surely you need to look at the data based on a national average to get a baseline? But regardless. I'll accept "The patterns for violent felonies shown in Fig. 4 are remarkably similar. Compared to native-born citizens, legal immigrants and, especially, undocumented immigrants have lower rates of violent crime"

Also total crime rate for undocumented vs legal/native-born citizens is almost 6x less per 100,000.

Yes they do. Texas had a well know case where 160 illegals were caught in a single factory.
Seems that they didn't in fact have employment authorisation and were busted. Show me one where they're illegal and authorisation wasn't forged and it simply was an under the table deal.
Hahaha no, you're just going off of deportation numbers nothing more. Even back then it was Republicans pushing for stronger border protections.
The difference is that back then there was still bipartisanship. I remember amongst others Feinstein supporting such efforts, even proposing some of her own which didn't pass, which led to an increase in spending and a change in the approach of how they deal with illegal immigrants.
Heck even until 2015 people were more bipartisan in support of stronger borders, Bernie Sanders famously said open borders is a "Koch brothers proposal", then Trump came along and everyone's brain broke.
Sure guy - deportation happens in a bubble and has nothing to do with enforcement of immigration laws. Once again, selective memory - Operation Gatekeeper ring a bell???

Out of interest - where are you based/resident in the US?
 

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I'm confused? This is data solely for Texas - surely you need to look at the data based on a national average to get a baseline? But regardless. I'll accept "The patterns for violent felonies shown in Fig. 4 are remarkably similar. Compared to native-born citizens, legal immigrants and, especially, undocumented immigrants have lower rates of violent crime"

Also total crime rate for undocumented vs legal/native-born citizens is almost 6x less per 100,000.
Yes only for Texas. I believe I said that initially. I can't invent surveys already done and since it's a border state together with the fact that some states do not log immigration status along with their incidents, it makes sense that they conducted it there as they have better data.

Where do you get your 6x number from? None of the sub categories except robbery come close to x6 so there is no way the total would be anywhere near that.
The article does explain the reasons behind the lower incidents more clearly than I did in previous post. They basically break it down under assimilation, selection, and deterrence.

The fact remains they are here illegally any contribution to criminality is an excess that should not be there. You can pretzel however you want, but you can't get around this simple fact.

Seems that they didn't in fact have employment authorisation and were busted. Show me one where they're illegal and authorisation wasn't forged and it simply was an under the table deal.
You can do that yourself.
Incidentally according to law you can hire up to 10 illegals per year without repercussion. It explains all those gardeners and maids in California. Construction is another area where this is quite common.
"Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in subparagraph (B) shall be fined under title 18"

Sure guy - deportation happens in a bubble and has nothing to do with enforcement of immigration laws. Once again, selective memory - Operation Gatekeeper ring a bell???

Out of interest - where are you based/resident in the US?
It's a bubble because the numbers themselves mean nothing if you don't include who tabled and pushed the bills to enact such changes (Hint : Republicans) I did mention that they changed their approach to illegal immigration in the 90s. Gatekeeper will fall under that.
You believe that happened without the involvement of the GOP? Pull the other one.
If it wasn't a bigger concern for the GOP than the Dems then they would not consistently year after year try to strengthen the borders from previous years. This logic should not be that hard.

This is almost like me claiming that Republicans have always been more pro universal health care or student loan forgiveness than Democrats :rolleyes:
 

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Why is it an issue? Were you shouting election interference with the timing on FBI/Hillary thing pre-election?
People were shouting that at the time yes. Then again she was more guilty than those implicated in the alleged Russian investigation.
Curious that the Hunter Biden story was suppressed prior to election. Only to later be confirmed and the objections to it being proven false.
Various factions sure like to "fortify" elections.

Anyway the Jan6 is such a show trial, with so many falsehoods already, that very few will be swayed by it. It's effect will mostly depend on what's happening in the news cycle at the time.
 

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Yeah I also loved that staged "heartfelt" goodbye while they were leaving :ROFL:

Oh yes...


The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 52% of Likely U.S. voters approve of Abbott’s policy, including 36% who Strongly Approve. Thirty-nine percent (39%) disapprove, including 25% who Strongly Disapprove of Abbott’s policy.

Curious what it will be for DeSantis considering he is more popular and it affected the "elites"
 

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Yeah I also loved that staged "heartfelt" goodbye while they were leaving :ROFL:

Oh yes...




Curious what it will be for DeSantis considering he is more popular and it affected the "elites"
(39%) disapprove. These are extremists and a threat to democracy
 

quovadis

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Yes only for Texas. I believe I said that initially. I can't invent surveys already done and since it's a border state together with the fact that some states do not log immigration status along with their incidents, it makes sense that they conducted it there as they have better data.

Where do you get your 6x number from? None of the sub categories except robbery come close to x6 so there is no way the total would be anywhere near that.
The article does explain the reasons behind the lower incidents more clearly than I did in previous post. They basically break it down under assimilation, selection, and deterrence.

The fact remains they are here illegally any contribution to criminality is an excess that should not be there. You can pretzel however you want, but you can't get around this simple fact.


You can do that yourself.
Incidentally according to law you can hire up to 10 illegals per year without repercussion. It explains all those gardeners and maids in California. Construction is another area where this is quite common.



It's a bubble because the numbers themselves mean nothing if you don't include who tabled and pushed the bills to enact such changes (Hint : Republicans) I did mention that they changed their approach to illegal immigration in the 90s. Gatekeeper will fall under that.
You believe that happened without the involvement of the GOP? Pull the other one.
If it wasn't a bigger concern for the GOP than the Dems then they would not consistently year after year try to strengthen the borders from previous years. This logic should not be that hard.

This is almost like me claiming that Republicans have always been more pro universal health care or student loan forgiveness than Democrats :rolleyes:
If only your argument was cogent without all the obfuscation. I'll just stick with the undocumented immigrants are remarkably more well behaved in terms of overall crime when compared to others. And lets leave it there.

Where are you based / resident?
 

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If only your argument was cogent without all the obfuscation. I'll just stick with the undocumented immigrants are remarkably more well behaved in terms of overall crime when compared to others. And lets leave it there.
Well I said that in the beginning, but they are still a contributing factor and their numbers have drastically increased last few years. It remains an increase that should not be there in the first place.

Where are you based / resident?
Last few years? Quiet Hermanus. You?
 
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