US Politics: Felonious families

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cerebus said:
What a weird false equivalence. You're really stretching
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How so?
The claim was made by him and supported by you. The idea behind banning abortion, no fault divorce etc is to control women. You do not support this and gave examples of possible abusive.
Yet, the idea of males, claiming to be female, thus having access to female restrooms and other spaces, 1. has no potential for abuse and 2. does not infringe on women's rights or safety.
 

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kolaval said:
How so?
The claim was made by him and supported by you. The idea behind banning abortion, no fault divorce etc is to control women. You do not support this and gave examples of possible abusive.
Yet, the idea of males, claiming to be female, thus having access to female restrooms and other spaces, 1. has no potential for abuse and 2. does not infringe on women's rights or safety.
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Firstly i did support the claim that it's to control women. I cited evidence which is more than i can say for you making these absurd lazy equivalences.

But the basic argument for making abortion legal is that women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. It's none of your business if a woman doesn't want to bear a child that they conceived either accidentally or through force.

And i guess the same argument goes for trans women and female "spaces". It's not really any of your business. People who identify as women can and do live as women. The idea that women's safety could be at risk is entirely an unsupported fear driven narrative and you should probably chill out on the stonetoss comics
 
Cray said:
He probably knows how to spell it at least..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou




But you are right in one respect, lots of Vodou believers are also Christian.



Someone better not tell Tucker about what Jewish used to do in the old days. Calling it witchcraft is pretty funny.
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How was I possibly going to get one of you to make my point for me without just a tiny bit of bait. Thank you for pointing out the syncretism though. The point of my post. Would be great if we could have more arguments in good faith.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
How was I possibly going to get one of you to make my point for me without just a tiny bit of bait. Thank you for pointing out the syncretism though. The point of my post. Would be great if we could have more arguments in good faith.
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The dog eating "argument" isn't in good faith from the outset.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
I think you're still missing the point. Using Christianity as an argument is disingenuous. The left loves dunking on religion, until it suits them.
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It's not disingenuous because the point is the Haitians did nothing. They are peaceful law abiding hard working lawful legal immigrants who attend church. There's literally no reason to attack them apart from bald racism
 
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cerebus said:
It's not disingenuous because the point is the Haitians did nothing. They are peaceful law abiding hard working lawful legal immigrants who attend church. There's literally no reason to attack them apart from bald racism
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Okay. As briefly as possible. There are two arguments here:

1. The Haitians did nothing wrong. Yes or no. Can be argued on provision on proof of wrongdoing (would have to be widespread, repetitive and pervasive).
2. The Haitians can't do anything wrong, because they're Christians and go to church. This a fallacious argument used by the feeble minded. ( I tend to watch the religious more closely, especially around my kids.)

Clear enough distinction? @tetrasect's argument can not be made in good faith if it's fallacious. The difference between argument and just slinging sht and seeing what sticks.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
Okay. As briefly as possible. There are two arguments here:

1. The Haitians did nothing wrong. Yes or no. Can be argued on provision on proof of wrongdoing (would have to be widespread, repetitive and pervasive).
2. The Haitians can't do anything wrong, because they're Christians and go to church. This a fallacious argument used by the feeble minded. ( I tend to watch the religious more closely, especially around my kids.)

Clear enough distinction? @tetrasect's argument can not be made in good faith if it's fallacious. The difference between argument and just slinging sht and seeing what sticks.
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Sorry I feel like I'm being gaslighted and i don't **** with that. There is no dog eating and constructing a whole argument about how we can't say it's impossible because we don't understand the nuances of Haitian voodoo is a total house of cards.
 
cerebus said:
Sorry I feel like I'm being gaslighted and i don't **** with that. There is no dog eating and constructing a whole argument about how we can't say it's impossible because we don't understand the nuances of Haitian voodoo is a total house of cards.
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Sorry for your feels. Only gaslighting here is using a single line argument about Haitians being Christians, in bad faith. No argument construction. It's was already there. Someone just needed to spot it.

Lefties tie themselves in knots about the same thing in SA all the time. Have a look at religious anthropology when you have some spare time. Fascinating stuff.
 
cerebus said:
Firstly i did support the claim that it's to control women. I cited evidence which is more than i can say for you making these absurd lazy equivalences.

But the basic argument for making abortion legal is that women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. It's none of your business if a woman doesn't want to bear a child that they conceived either accidentally or through force.

And i guess the same argument goes for trans women and female "spaces". It's not really any of your business. People who identify as women can and do live as women. The idea that women's safety could be at risk is entirely an unsupported fear driven narrative and you should probably chill out on the stonetoss comics
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I'm amazed that you cannot see the obvious gap in logic here.
If there are bad men that would control women by abusing them, thus requiring abortions, then there will be bad men, claiming to be female in order to abuse women.

You guys seem to talk "womens rights" right up to when it clashes with your "trans rights". Then suddenly abuse becomes an "entirely an unsupported fear driven narrative".

What's stonetoss comics?
 
Maurice Kitching said:
Sorry for your feels. Only gaslighting here is using a single line argument about Haitians being Christians, in bad faith. No argument construction. It's was already there. Someone just needed to spot it.

Lefties tie themselves in knots about the same thing in SA all the time. Have a look at religious anthropology when you have some spare time. Fascinating stuff.
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The only tying in knots here is the lengths you're going to carry water for Trump's racism
 
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