US to withdraw 12,000 troops from Germany in 'strategic' move

Mystic Twilight

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Trump and Merkel don't really see eye to eye but are "polite" about it, the fact that some troops are just being redeployed to neighbouring eu countries suggests that trump is just making this personal at getting back at merkel/germany, among the other complaints like that new oil pipeline from russia.
 

Nicodeamus

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Trump, (Russias ambassador to the US) is not happy.

It has been a goal of Us grand strategy for a long time. If you’ve read anything about the council of foreign relations or political scientists like John Mearsheimer then this move shouldn’t surprise you.


Long story short, they got Hitler and Russia is no big threat to the US, at least not compared to China.
 

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Why does the US have 12 000 troops in Germany?
It's part of the United States defense strategy in Europe ever since the end of World War II.
The German Ambassador to the US, Emily Haber, said: "US troops… are not there to defend Germany. They are there to defend the transatlantic security. They are also there to project American power in Africa and Asia."
 

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Why does the US have 12 000 troops in Germany?
Because a group of European countries with a GDP of around $18 Trillion can't defend themselves against a guy from Russia who have a GDP of around $1.6 Trillion without Trump's help.
 

thestaggy

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Pretty sure the US has for a while now been unhappy with the disproportionate spending and commitment between themselves and Europe when it comes to military matters.

Obama's infamous ''free riders'' comment comes to mind.

In the interview, Obama said: “The way I looked at it was that it would be our problem if, in fact, complete chaos and civil war broke out in Libya. But this is not so at the core of US interests that it makes sense for us to unilaterally strike against the Gaddafi regime.

“At that point, you’ve got Europe and a number of Gulf countries who despise Gaddafi, or are concerned on a humanitarian basis, who are calling for action. But what has been a habit over the last several decades in these circumstances is people pushing us to act but then showing an unwillingness to put any skin in the game … free riders.

And there is some truth here because for example, Germany's army is in a poor state and has been for a while.

Germany’s soldiers of misfortune

BERLIN — Fighter jets and helicopters that don’t fly. Ships and submarines that can’t sail. Severe shortages of everything from ammunition to underwear.

If it sounds like an exaggeration to compare Germany’s Bundeswehr to “The Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight,” look no further than the army’s standard-issue assault rifle, Heckler & Koch’s G36. The government decided to scrap the weapon after discovering that the gun misses its target if it’s too hot.

“There is neither enough personnel nor materiel, and often one confronts shortage upon shortage,” Hans-Peter Bartels, a Social Democrat MP charged with monitoring the Bundeswehr for parliament, concluded in a reportpublished at the end of January. “The troops are far from being fully-equipped.”

Once one of the fiercest (and most brutal) fighting forces on earth, today’s German army increasingly looks more like a volunteer fire department — last month, mountain troops were dispatched to shovel snow from roofs in Bavaria — than a modern military machine.

On a recent trip to Lithuania, where about 450 German soldiers are stationed as part of a NATO mission to deter Russian aggression, U.S. officials were dismayed to discover Bundeswehr personnel communicating on unsecure mobile phones due to a shortage of secure radio equipment.
Easy to slack off when someone else is doing all the heavy lifting.
 

TEXTILE GUY

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Trump surely is a strange ass

Trump and Merkel don't really see eye to eye but are "polite" about it, the fact that some troops are just being redeployed to neighbouring eu countries suggests that trump is just making this personal at getting back at merkel/germany, among the other complaints like that new oil pipeline from russia.
"Some of the things he said to Angela Merkel are just unbelievable: he called her 'stupid,' and accused her of being in the pocket of the Russians," one source told Bernstein. "He's toughest [in the phone calls] with those he looks at as weaklings and weakest with the ones he ought to be tough with."


 

buka001

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Grandstanding from Trump. He does not understand NATO or US Foreign policy and its defense strategy.

Anyway they are moving the troops to Belgium and Italy, who's defense budgets are less than Germany.

Says it all really.
 
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