UTD[esktop]: USB vs Ethernet cable

[ic]

UTD(esktop): USB vs Ethernet cable

just wondering if anyone has any ideas/preferences for ethernet versus usb.

i've started with the usb cable bcos:

• i figured i'd have less hassle getting utd going
• i didn't want to plug the utd into my 8 port switch as i don't think that would work without a router, and if it did i didn't want other pc's connecting to the net without first going through the firewall s/w on my pc.

having said all that, i'm considering putting a 2nd ethernet card in my pc, and connecting the utd to it (the 2nd card).

i would obviously reconfig my firewall s/w but i don't know if it's a good idea in the first place. AFAIK having more than one ethernet card in a pc connected diretly to the net (even with decent firewall software can leave a system more vulnerable)???

any thoughts?

 

[guest2013-1]

I'm not sure about if it will work with a switch (or a router for that matter) because I never tried. I did try hooking my Sentech modem up via ethernet cable to my router, but that was a no go. Some folks claim they got it to work...

You figured wrong if you thought setting up USB would be easier, ethernet cable is much easier to setup and there is no drivers to install. Plus it connects to 10mb and not 1mb like the usb cable...

Having more than 1 ethernet card does not increase the vulnarability of your PC unless you want it to, I have 2 ethernet ports myself, and manage them quite nicely with my firewall settings. In fact, I think it might be to your advantage to have 2 nic's on your pc, one for the modem and 1 connecting you to your network.

 

[ic]

ok thanks noone,

u r the source (not of all evil).

i'm about to start throwing stuff off my desk so i can get into my desktop pc's case and get that second nic in a pci slot.

the 10Mbps connection speed on ethernet is a good enough reason to try ethernet instead of usb, not that there's anything wrong with usb.

i suspect that i can do some funky vmware firewall type stuff when utd is plugged into a second nic, so here goes...

 

[alchamy]

I tried using USB at first with little success, I was disconnected every 15-30 minutes. I admit that I was trying it on a laptop and the powersaving might have been messing with things. However once I plugged it into my router I had absolutely no problems. The PPPoE works perfectly. No disconnections and perfect speeds. Also the USB option requires that you run the Iburst software which not everybody wants to do.

 

[ic]

Power management tab - that's one of the fisrt things i disabled not that i actually thought of it but i love to change default settings...
Disabled - Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power.

About PPPoE, after having installed the iBurst s/w and used USB, i noticed that the following protocol driver exists on my system:
NDIS(PPPoE) User mode I/O Protocol for iBurst Terminal

 

[guest2013-1]

Mind giving me step by step instructions on HOW to connect it to my router? []

 

[ic]

noone,

Are you sure that you have your OS (Win2K(P), WinXP, Linux or what?) talking to your UTD via a NIC, but without ANY WBS/Kyocera drivers/protocols etc installed?

I'm using Win2KP (obviously up to date with all sp's & hotfixes etc), to switch UTD from USB to Ethernet cable, I first uninstalled the iBurst WBS package (you said you didn't need any WBS s/w installed to use ethernet).

After rebooting, i tried all sorts of things in Network and Dial-up Connections thinking maybe you had done the iBurst username, password connection as VPN or something...

Anyhow, none of that worked, and before embarking on this I was sceptical as to how it would work without the NIC having the NDIS(PPPoE) User mode I/O Protocol for iBurst Terminal driver installed and enabled on the NIC it was connected to.

The thing is, that protocol driver is installed by the WBS install package.

I do actually have it working via ethernet on a 2nd NIC, but only after again installing the wbs package, and enabling the protocol driver only on the 2nd NIC - i.e. the NIC which the UTD is plugged into.

If I had left the protocol driver enabled on the 1st NIC and my VMWare adapters then I'm guessing the UTD could've been connected to a switch or a router, and any NIC with that protocol enabled could communicate with it, indirectly or directly - i'm guessing.

Some illumination would be nice bcos i woke up to find mushrooms growing on me...

 

[alchamy]

noone,

It should not be too difficult depending on your router. But generally you will need to enter the web admistartion on your router. You should have a couple a options for broadband, you need to set it up as a DSL/Cable Modem (PPPoE) You can enter the username and password there. The router should ask you to test the connection, at which point it will restart and begin testing. If everything goes well you will be ready to use the connection. You PC's need to be configured for DHCP "Obtain IP Address automatically" If you use Fixed IP's you need to ensure that the default Gateway & DNS are the routers IP Address. If this all works out you can configure your router for DynDNS,DMZ & the likes if you intend using those features.

ic,

I'm not too sure about the NDIS Protocol you are mentioning. I am running XP SP2 Pro, I just stuck it into the NIC and set up a new broadband connection. It worked fine. However I only ran it that way for about 5 minutes. You could always leave the WBS drivers installed and just remove it the Iburst Software from your startup. Atleast that way it won't hog up your system tray.

 

[ic]

alchamy,

thanks for clarifying that, i think maybe WXP(SP2) has a built-in PPPoE driver that W2KP(SP4+) does not have.

My only remaining problem is Internet Connect Sharing on the iBurst_Terminal Connection.

ICS was working fine with USB, but now that I'm using ethernet (and specifically a 2nd NIC in my ICS pc) other pc's are not resolving & connecting.

Initially I set the default gateway on one other pc to 192.168.0.1 but that failed, and i tried rebooting the ICS pc (and after logon) the other pc a number of times.

I will try some ping tests from that other pc, but I would appreciate any suggestions.

Tkx in advance.

 

[sihen]

ic I have got it working over ethernet.

NOTE: the server is running win2000 so configuration will be a little different.

What i did is the following:
I put 2 network cards in the server (one being for the modem and the other for the lan)
making the NIC using the modem 192.168.0.1 and the lan .2
setup ICS on the virtual connection in "my network places" pointing the the lan NIC using .2.
The other machines on the network i just setup the gateway and the prim DNS to .2

Been running it like this for a few days now with no problem

Dylan

 

[ic]

Sihen (Dylan),

I have created a new thread for ICS in case others have similar challenges:

[post=106521]Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)[/post]

 

[dorris]

Plus it connects to 10mb and not 1mb like the usb cable...

Scuse my ignorance here, but whats the difference at the end of the day???
...
besides being under the "false" impression that your modems capable of more than 1Mb.

If you ask me, not an iBurst user, so I could be mistaken, unless you're using an OS that doesn't have support for the modem, or a router, rather use the USB connection, it will enable a user to get much more info about the state of the connection.
if ICS is what you're using, why complicate life with extra IP assignments and network cards

 

[ic]

It was something to try, not that I don't have plenty of other things to do, but in my case using ethernet will allow me more complex firewall and port forwarding control with VMware Workstation 4.5.2 that I use on my PC to run a bunch of guest OS's.

It seems UTD on USB was limited bcos it worked through a virtual com port and not a NIC.

I never much bothered with getting all that going before since I was on a dial-up connection, but with 24/7 connectivity I want to do my own hosting etc, and I want it as secure as possible.

The connection speed thing, yes i know but it just looks nicer with 10Mbps than 1Mbps.

 

[alchamy]

From a technical viewpoint there is no real difference between the two, both will function at the same speed, I think its all about preference, for me I would use ethernet for the following reasons, its been around for 25 years or there about - so its proven technology. Secondly USB is slightly heavier on system resources, (Even at 3.0GHz some of us are still stingy) But ultimately it comes down to your individual requirements and preference.

 

[guest2013-1]

alchamy, I have a netgear DG384G router with an ADSL wan port, how do I connect my iburst modem to that router? tried but nothing?

 

[alchamy]

noone, not a toy that I have played with myself. But if I am correct thats the one with the built in ADSL modem???

If it is you might have a slight problem... cause you won't have a RJ45 WAN port just the RJ11 ADSL Jack and 4 RJ45 LAN jacks. If so you won't be able to use it. The LAN ports are merely a switch and cannot forward packets.

If it does have a RJ45 WAN port, then just configure the router to use an ADSL modem. It cannot tell the difference between ADSL and Iburst, its still just using PPPoE.

 

[ic]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283070

Windows XP includes a built-in PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE) client. The PPPoE client connection is a high-speed connection that uses hardware such as a cable modem or a DSL modem

Searching MSDN did not reveal whether W2KP actually has or has noy got a built-in PPPoE client protocol driver.

 

[Kai]

ic... you're posting at 03:09 in the morning! dude! you need to get more sleep! []

as for the router noone, I have an SMC BarricageG wireless router. I plugged it into the WAN port and added it as a PPPoE xDSL modem - works like a CHARM!

edit: [:I] note to self. read all the posts before you answer questions that have allready been answered by alchamy []

one day we will all look back at this... laugh nervously... and change the subject...
Sucktech no more... I'm now an iBurster! hmmmm... bandwidth... []​

 

[ic]

Kai, you're right, I do need more sleep, I still have to adjust to having an always-on connection as opposed to trying to do all my downloads, research, email etc during callmore time on the 64K ISDN line with InfinitCall.

As soon as I've cleared a backlog of things that I need to do over the net, I will go get some tablets to normalise my sleep patterns.

Until then, I blame Telscum for my lack of sleep. My consolation prize - I'm not paying Telscum for this connection, not directly anyway - evil grin...[]

 

[Kai]

I had such a laugh at myself last night. I got the iBurst modem connected and working, sat down in front of my PC and thought... "Okay... now what do I download to test this thing?" It's been so long since I could actually do anything on the Net that I had forgotten all the things I used to do! []

So I streamed some Launch.com audio through Yahoo, watched some streaming video and eventually decided to download some movie trailers - at 107KBps! []

one day we will all look back at this... laugh nervously... and change the subject...
Sucktech no more... I'm now an iBurster! hmmmm... bandwidth... []​