Vaal River suffocates under filthy wave of raw effluent

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I am in the same mind as you on her. She is not the activist she used to be.
I agree. To be fair she has been fighting a long time, and it gets to you. She is 67, so quite a bit younger than me, but I know that the grind of opposing corruption gets no easier with time. Sorting out places like Cape Town is a never ending battle, as the DA are finding elsewhere. The problem is that the corrupt have a lot to gain, but those who oppose them have only the satisfaction of an easy conscience, and the risk of a violent death for them or even worse, their families.
 

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I agree. To be fair she has been fighting a long time, and it gets to you. She is 67, so quite a bit younger than me, but I know that the grind of opposing corruption gets no easier with time. Sorting out places like Cape Town is a never ending battle, as the DA are finding elsewhere. The problem is that the corrupt have a lot to gain, but those who oppose them have only the satisfaction of an easy conscience, and the risk of a violent death for them or even worse, their families.
Not a thing I can disagree with in your opinion.

Her work in the black sash movement and exposing the Steve Biko story, that inspired me. Her current phase worries me. I hope she adapts but I believe her to be caught up in an engineered mechatronic echo chamber. Her reality is out.

I wont be voting DA again. I cant see how after what I learnt. I think bad people took advantage of the changing leadership in 2015 and shady groups were able to influence their way into positions. The party I quit is not the party Helen built up.
 

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Not a thing I can disagree with in your opinion.

Her work in the black sash movement and exposing the Steve Biko story, that inspired me. Her current phase worries me. I hope she adapts but I believe her to be caught up in an engineered mechatronic echo chamber. Her reality is out.

I wont be voting DA again. I cant see how after what I learnt. I think bad people took advantage of the changing leadership in 2015 and shady groups were able to influence their way into positions. The party I quit is not the party Helen built up.
I suppose the DA has to evolve or become irrelevant. The trouble is that political parties are in most places now the key to self advancement, and attract the corrupt. The DA some years ago in Hermanus seems to have been an example of that by some accounts. But no country is immune to that mechanism of self interest. I suspect Zille is anxious about the direction of the party she committed to and made sacrifices for. It has been a major part of her life. I would not want a wife like her, or May, or Thatcher, unless I was prepared to be a home husband. But even then Thatcher 'favoured' her son Mark, and supported him when he went off the rails here in SA. She was plain wrong to do that.
 

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Not a thing I can disagree with in your opinion.

Her work in the black sash movement and exposing the Steve Biko story, that inspired me. Her current phase worries me. I hope she adapts but I believe her to be caught up in an engineered mechatronic echo chamber. Her reality is out.

I wont be voting DA again. I cant see how after what I learnt. I think bad people took advantage of the changing leadership in 2015 and shady groups were able to influence their way into positions. The party I quit is not the party Helen built up.
Go for De Lilles party, many on here think she is untouchable
 

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I suppose the DA has to evolve or become irrelevant. The trouble is that political parties are in most places now the key to self advancement, and attract the corrupt. The DA some years ago in Hermanus seems to have been an example of that by some accounts. But no country is immune to that mechanism of self interest. I suspect Zille is anxious about the direction of the party she committed to and made sacrifices for. It has been a major part of her life. I would not want a wife like her, or May, or Thatcher, unless I was prepared to be a home husband. But even then Thatcher 'favoured' her son Mark, and supported him when he went off the rails here in SA. She was plain wrong to do that.
The times I met her, I thought she was great. Back then she was less conservative and more open and very considerate. I think you are right about her been anxious about the future of the party. Perhaps she can see what I saw. The rot is not limited to Hermanus. Its worse than you can think.

She would be better to leave it and rebuild, but I dont know if she will.

I kinda also wish she could remember what she wrote about storms in teacups, manufactured outrage and stop throwing stones at every dog that barks. Stop the angry thought germs plz.
 

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The times I met her, I thought she was great. Back then she was less conservative and more open and very considerate. I think you are right about her been anxious about the future of the party. Perhaps she can see what I saw. The rot is not limited to Hermanus. Its worse than you can think.

She would be better to leave it and rebuild, but I dont know if she will.

I kinda also wish she could remember what she wrote about storms in teacups, manufactured outrage and stop throwing stones at every dog that barks. Stop the angry thought germs plz.
We do tend to get more conservative as we get older, with some notable exceptions, and I suppose we can expect that of her. Yet in some ways I am more non Conservative (the capital 'C' indicates the political sense of the word) then a few years ago. I think most when young tend to be left wing (recognising the limitations of the left/right political model we have hammered recently on MBB) when young, then veer more towards the right in later years ('when we grow up' as I used to enrage my children by saying 30 years ago!). Now I am swinging back left to an extent. Perhaps Zille will do the same, as she is 11 years younger than me!
 

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Update: Sewage crisis in the Vaal – The Army makes good progress!

VANDERBIJLPARK. – The SANDF Engineering Corps (and 1 Construction Regiment), ably led by Colonel Andries Mahapa, are already making good progress to repair the Vaal River System.


Col. Mahapa’s Engineering Corps has been deployed to the Vaal Triangle for 12 months to rehabilitate the Vaal River System, including the crippled water reticulation works and sewerage infrastructure in the area.
In order to do this the SANDF are going to have to transform Sebokeng, Leeukuil, Rietspruit and Meyerton’s waste water treatment works into sustainably operational plants again. On top of this, they are going to have to

More at: https://sedibengster.com/16674/update-sewage-crisis-vaal-army-makes-good-progress/

Follow the Army’s progress in rehabilitating the Vaal River System on Facebook: VaalArmy and on the web at www.vaalarmy.co.za
 

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Fine, great even. But what about the people being paid to do it? Get rid of them? Dock their pay? Retrain them, preferably in prison? Prevent anyone living in the area from having children until the capacity of the system is adequate?
 

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R240m cash injection to fix polluted Vaal River, but it still isn't enough

The SA National Defence Force's (SANDF) intervention at the severely polluted Vaal River has received a whopping R240m cash injection, the South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) heard on Wednesday
However, there is still a shortfall.
The SANDF deployed soldiers, among them specialist engineers, to find solutions to the contamination of the Vaal River, after untreated waste made its way into the river causing blocked drains and flowing into local community members' homes and into streets.
The SAHRC initiated an inquiry in September, which ended on Wednesday.


At the inquiry on Wednesday, the Department of Water and Sanitation said much effort was being made to ensure that the SANDF had the support it needed.
Provincial head of the department, Sibusiso Mthembu, said R1.1bn was needed to fix 39 pump stations and three water treatment plants in the Vaal.
"We are now just waiting for the final approvals. They have already been discussed with Treasury, and once the papers are signed, the funds will immediately be made available," Mthembu said
More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/r240m-cash-injection-to-fix-polluted-vaal-river-but-it-still-isnt-enough-20190220
 

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Sasol intentionally polluted the Vaal River, SAHRC inquiry hears

An official at Sasol Secunda has accused the petrochemical giant of intentionally polluting the Vaal River.
The employee made submissions at the South African Human Rights Commission's (SAHRC) inquiry into the contamination of the river, held at Constitutional Hill in Johannesburg.
"Sasol excretes a type zero waste which is not allowed to be landfilled at all. And if it (Sasol) wishes to do so, it will have to treat it (the waste) to be type one, to reduce harm," he said.
Some residents in the Vaal claimed that the foul smell in the area made them sick and wanted their concerns to be attended to urgently.
The situation prompted the SAHRC to establish an inquiry to determine whether the spillage amounted to an infringement of basic human rights, and what may have caused the pollution in the first place.
The Emfuleni municipality, which is the most affected, has since been placed under administration and the mayor, Jacob Khawe, tendered his resignation in December.
Among some of the chemicals the whistleblower said Sasol continues to spill, is vanadium.
A quick Google search reveals that a person's exposure to vanadium may affect the central nervous system, with symptoms including headaches, abdominal cramps, diarrhoea and a green colour to the tongue.
More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/sasol-intentionally-polluted-the-vaal-river-sahrc-inquiry-hears-20190221
 

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Fine, great even. But what about the people being paid to do it? Get rid of them? Dock their pay? Retrain them, preferably in prison? Prevent anyone living in the area from having children until the capacity of the system is adequate?
And I want a answer. I am sure the mayor is still driving his Benz and getting voters to vote for him again. And the workers is...
 

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Sasol employee 'surprised' he hasn't been killed over claims company is polluting the Vaal

"I'm actually surprised I'm not shot in the head yet."
That is what a Sasol whistleblower said on Wednesday after his testimony at the inquiry of the SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) into the Vaal River crisis at Constitution Hill in Johannesburg. He has been an employee at the company's Sasol Secunda plant in Mpumalanga for about 15 years. He alleged the company was not complying with waste disposal protocols, which is contributing to pollution in the Vaal River.

Sasol spokesperson Alex Anderson on Thursday refuted the allegations that Sasol "intentionally polluted (or continue to pollute)" the Vaal River or any other water source, saying it would be "irresponsible" and "constitute offences and invoke serious criminal and administrative sanctions under the suite of environmental laws we are subject to". "We are deeply concerned about the current state of the Vaal River, which is essential to residents, business and agriculture," he said.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2019-02-22-sasol-employee-surprised-he-hasnt-been-killed-over-claims-company-is-polluting-the-vaal/
 

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Sasol denies claims it intentionally polluted Vaal River

A whistleblower's claims that Sasol is to blame for the intentional pollution of the Vaal River, were vehemently denied by the petrochemical giant at a South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) inquiry on Wednesday.
The SAHRC established the inquiry in September 2018 to determine whether the pollution of the river amounted to an infringement of basic human rights and to establish what caused the contamination in the first place.
Some residents in the Vaal claimed the foul smell in the area made them sick and they wanted their concerns to be attended to urgently.
This led to the establishment of the inquiry and the subsequent deployment of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) to the Vaal.
More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/sasol-denies-claims-it-intentionally-polluted-vaal-river-20190222
 

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Dirty vaal river thread, post after post about Zille ..... go figure
Some still cannot get over Zille truth bombs and need to take it everywhere. Get over it ghoti and move along. The political party that makes you happy don't exist.
 

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Why have the SAHRC investigate this? Surely there are more capable institutions.
 
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