vaccination side effects

[DreamKing]

hello ......

hit and run?

 

[Geoff.D]

He is trying another one of his silly, asinine analogies. Very few of his analogies are worth commenting on.

 

[surface]

You must have me confused with someone else. I have never even typed those words on my keyboard, like literally, ever, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

I think you misunderstand me. I am not taking anything, no vaccines, none of that other stuff whatever they are, nor will I in future!

not even panado ?

 

[Slooth]

Hi guys, quick question.

If a PB&J sandwich were to protect you against Covid, would you eat it?

You have one choice, cure cancer or covid?

 

[SoldierMan]

Why not both?

Ivermectin shows ‘antiviral effect’ against COVID, Japanese company says

Japanese trading and pharmaceuticals company Kowa Co Ltd on Monday said that anti-parasite drug ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other coronavirus variants in joint non-clinical research.

www.reuters.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492159438039433223

Also search for "Ivermectin and HIV" on the NIH.

I'm sure the anti-Ivermectin crowd here won't dare risk it and will instead continue with the horse jokes, you know being the high IQ types and all.........

 

[Daveogg]

Go back to Cheyenne Mountain. I'll let you know when it's safe to come out.

Lol I am pretty sure you don't have a clue on knowing when it is safe for me to come out.

But answer the question in the absence of Covid, which for you is immaterial, as you wont die from Covid, what do you think are your chances of dying from anything in the next year.

 

[Slooth]

Hi guys, quick question.

If a PB&J sandwich were to protect you against Covid, would you eat it?

OK, you are 5000ft in the air; you have a choice to jump out with a parachute or 100 million dollars?

 

[Solarion]

Lol I am pretty sure you don't have a clue on knowing when it is safe for me to come out.

But answer the question in the absence of Covid, which for you is immaterial, as you wont die from Covid, what do you think are your chances of dying from anything in the next year.

That is not something I want to entertain or even talk about. I do get a sense though from these threads that maxvaxxers spend an awful lot of time pondering on what will get them around the next corner. Even worse they try to impress this fear onto others at every turn they get like a squad of JW's knocking on every door they can to inflict others with their overwhelming sense of imminent doom and destruction.

Fear and negativity can be a powerful tool to control, dominate and manipulate others who are not aware of it. They openly utilize aggressive and/or passive aggressive tones, mocking, insults corrosive attitudes and superiority soaked up turned noses towards anyone who chooses to exercise their right not to take this vaccine. They treat it as a direct, personal slant and attack on themselves. How dare this person defy our viewpoint, opinion or the popular consensus. How dare this person stand up for themselves.

Then the anger starts because the controlling personality cannot have it's way. The ego feels bruised. The toxic masculinity comes to the surface and manifests as this chest beating cave man.

Yeah I've seen it. Numerous times. It all plays out in pretty much the exact same way as it does in these threads like a textbook.

 

[tetrasect]

OK, you are 5000ft in the air; you have a choice to jump out with a parachute or 100 million dollars?

I'll take the 100 million and offer the pilot 1 million to give me a parachute.

 

[tetrasect]

That is not something I want to entertain or even talk about. I do get a sense though from these threads that maxvaxxers spend an awful lot of time pondering on what will get them around the next corner. Even worse they try to impress this fear onto others at every turn they get like a squad of JW's knocking on every door they can to inflict others with their overwhelming sense of imminent doom and destruction.

Fear and negativity can be a powerful tool to control, dominate and manipulate others who are not aware of it. They openly utilize aggressive and/or passive aggressive tones, mocking, insults corrosive attitudes and superiority soaked up turned noses towards anyone who chooses to exercise their right not to take this vaccine. They treat it as a direct, personal slant and attack on themselves. How dare this person defy our viewpoint, opinion or the popular consensus. How dare this person stand up for themselves.

Then the anger starts because the controlling personality cannot have it's way. The ego feels bruised. The toxic masculinity comes to the surface and manifests as this chest beating cave man.

Yeah I've seen it. Numerous times. It all plays out in pretty much the exact same way as it does in these threads like a textbook.

Says the guy who is scared of Bill Gates,, the Illuminati, microchips, 5G,and a bunch of other BS. Never mind being afraid of a vaccine that everyone else has already taken.

You are the one that lives full of ego and fear. Wake up and stop being a sheep!

 

[Daveogg]

That is not something I want to entertain or even talk about. I do get a sense though from these threads that maxvaxxers spend an awful lot of time pondering on what will get them around the next corner. Even worse they try to impress this fear onto others at every turn they get like a squad of JW's knocking on every door they can to inflict others with their overwhelming sense of imminent doom and destruction.

Fear and negativity can be a powerful tool to control, dominate and manipulate others who are not aware of it. They openly utilize aggressive and/or passive aggressive tones, mocking, insults corrosive attitudes and superiority soaked up turned noses towards anyone who chooses to exercise their right not to take this vaccine. They treat it as a direct, personal slant and attack on themselves. How dare this person defy our viewpoint, opinion or the popular consensus. How dare this person stand up for themselves.

Then the anger starts because the controlling personality cannot have it's way. The ego feels bruised. The toxic masculinity comes to the surface and manifests as this chest beating cave man.

Yeah I've seen it. Numerous times. It all plays out in pretty much the exact same way as it does in these threads like a textbook.

Wow a very interesting response. Insightful especially considering the question had nothing to do with vaccines or as explicitly stated covid - true you could have argued its off topic and take the question somewhere else.

Anyway a interest of mine is how people assess risk. For example I have (in the past and now imminently) done some big mountain and off-piste / back country skiing. One of the risks with this sport is avalanche, and it exposes our weakness as human of assessing risk. Despite extensive education, avalanche reports etc, people die weekly in the alps from avalanches. It has been shown over and over again, that people asses the risk of an avalanche as lower when the sun is shing as opposed to when the weather is inclement, despite knowing intellectually that this is the opposite.

You stated how you clean roof tile without a harness, mow the lawn without shoes etc, I just wondered whether you had considered if these type of activities may impact your mortality. Certainly I consider that their is a risk associated with my upcoming ski trip, but having factored that in the benefit and pleasure it gives to me it is worth the slight increased chance of not being here next month.

Anyway if you are interested google Micromort for a interesting take on risk.

 

[access]

just incase your risk benefit analysis does not work out for you.

heres a magical item makes you forget about your worries of tripping over a pavement.

the outdoor seatbelt

 

[Solarion]

Says the guy who is scared of Bill Gates,, the Illuminati, microchips, 5G,and a bunch of other BS. Never mind being afraid of a vaccine that everyone else has already taken.

You are the one that lives full of ego and fear. Wake up and stop being a sheep!

There is it again. That boolean , us vs them way of thinking; it's either vaccine or 5G, vaccine or Illuminati, vaccine or MAGA.

It is rather worrying that you seem to really be struggling to grasp the idea of a middle ground where somebody chooses to not take a vaccine purely on the basis of their body, their choice. People often do things or not do things simply and purely on the grounds of being able to exercise free choice. We're not robots guys!

I see a lot of this us vs them type of thinking though and you know who is incredibly good at this? Ironically both Mainstream Media and Conspiracy Theorists

 

[tetrasect]

I would seriously go and think about this because your mental health has been negatively impacted by being exposed to too much news, Facebook, Twitter or something. It actually shows by the way.

I don't use social media and I don't watch the news (don't even have a TV).
I get all my antivax/conspiracy info first hand from members on this forum.

 

[Gyre]

There is it again. That boolean , us vs them way of thinking; it's either vaccine or 5G, vaccine or Illuminati, vaccine or MAGA.

It is rather worrying that you seem to really be struggling to grasp the idea of a middle ground where somebody chooses to not take a vaccine purely on the basis of their body, their choice. People often do things or not do things simply and purely on the grounds of being able to exercise free choice. We're not robots guys!

I see a lot of this us vs them type of thinking though and you know who is incredibly good at this? Ironically both Mainstream Media and Conspiracy Theorists

My body, my choice .... FOR THIS CRAZY REASON! WOOHOO!

 

[Gyre]

There is it again. That boolean , us vs them way of thinking; it's either vaccine or 5G, vaccine or Illuminati, vaccine or MAGA.

It is rather worrying that you seem to really be struggling to grasp the idea of a middle ground where somebody chooses to not take a vaccine purely on the basis of their body, their choice. People often do things or not do things simply and purely on the grounds of being able to exercise free choice. We're not robots guys!

I see a lot of this us vs them type of thinking though and you know who is incredibly good at this? Ironically both Mainstream Media and Conspiracy Theorists

You're the guy talking about hard-hat related deaths as opposed to actual deaths from falling objects. Imagine arguing until you are blue in the face for justification to not wear a hardhat.

If you don't want to wear a hardhat, your choice - but if your company or site you are visiting says put on a hardhat, you put on a hardhat.

 

[Arthur]

If you don't want to wear a hardhat, your choice - but if your company or site you are visiting says put on a hardhat, you put on a hardhat.

I realise it might well elude you, but in this context there's a subtle but critically important difference between hardhats and vaccines. When you leave your place of work mandating hardhats you can doff the hardhat, though you might personally decide to keep it on 24/7. Vaccines not so much. Especially not these ones, most of which are experimental, with the usual product liabilities legally removed by the State.

 

[Gyre]

I realise it might well elude you, but in this context there's a subtle but critically important difference between hardhats and vaccines. When you leave your place of work mandating hardhats you can doff the hardhat, though you might personally decide to keep it on 24/7. Vaccines not so much. Especially not these ones, most of which are experimental, with the usual product liabilities legally removed by the State.

How is that any different to catching covid? Covid doesn't vanish from your system, it is a virus.

You don't know what happens with vaccines OR covid in the long run - some virus' continue to make people's lives hell long after the first infection

 

[Arthur]

How is that any different to catching covid? Covid doesn't vanish from your system, it is a virus.

You don't know what happens with vaccines OR covid in the long run - some virus' continue to make people's lives hell long after the first infection

It's pretty well established by now that after a few months the current crop of covid vaccines don't stop you from getting infected. Nor do they stop you from infecting others.

In the light of this indisputable reality, it's not unreasonable to ask just what health objectives the vax mandates are intending to accomplish.

In my view, it is better for society overall if we leave the responsibility for bearing the consequences of risk with those who actually run the risk, rather than trying to socialise the liabilities and costs. Liberty is a precious and fragile flower. Its loss is extremely deleterious to not just individuals but to society at large. I prefer we err on the side of liberty rather than safety. Which is why I oppose drug laws, laws banning substances and ideas, speed limit laws, even seatbelt laws. Note I oppose the law mandating seatbelts, not seatbelts themselves. Etc.

 

[Mirai]

It's pretty well established by now that after a few months the current crop of covid vaccines don't stop you from getting infected. Nor do they stop you from infecting others.

In the light of this indisputable reality, it's not unreasonable to ask just what health objectives the vax mandates are intending to accomplish.

They don't stop it but they reduce infections, reduce complications and most for the individual they reduce death and they also reduce hospital occupancy or health resource utilisation. There are positive benefits. Benefits which translate maybe into less man hours lost in the workplace and so less effect on productivity and better benefit to the overall economy and society. A doctor who doesn't have to see a Covid patient can see to a heart attack instead or see to someone who may have an underlying cancer which may still be curable.

In my view, it is better for society overall if we leave the responsibility for bearing the consequences of risk with those who actually run the risk, rather than trying to socialise the liabilities and costs. Liberty is a precious and fragile flower. It's loss is extremely deleterious to not just individuals but to society at large. I prefer we err on the side of liberty rather than safety. Which is why I oppose drug laws, laws banning substances and ideas, speed limit laws, even seatbelt laws. Note I oppose the law mandating seatbelts, not seatbelts themselves. Etc.

The liability gets spread out regardless. Because with less productivity the employer suffers, so he pays less tax, or he employs fewer people or offers less salary increases or buys fewer products himself as he manufactures less. There are knock on effects regardless, on other employers, on employees, on supply chains, on society as a whole.

It really is more than just safety.

Liberty is being protected. The need to wear clothing outdoors, the need to have a valid driving license or the need to be over 18 or 21 in order to drink or join the military have not eliminated liberty.

Besides the cutthroat, let the vulnerable rot, idea is not itself a morally good idea.