vaccination side effects

[surface]

So unless one was in KZN or parts of JHB to witness it there was no looting in SA in July? Cause media reports cannot be trusted.

13 October 1917. Approx 40000 people witnessed sun dancing in a zig zag motion in what is called as "Miracle of Fatima". Surely, 40,000 can't be wrong ?

 

[Spizz]

You know what they say about assumptions yes?

Go for it then. Prove me wrong.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

The “Get back to normal” psychology being used on the masses allowing the globalists to implement their depopulation and totalitarian society without effort?

Like Curt Richters’s rats, the “useless eaters” are given hope moving from “lockdown” to “opening up” to “lockdown” etc. every time allowing just a little less freedom. Deeper into debt, another mandatory vaccination, including unnecessarily vaccinating kids, …. until there is ultimately no significant retaliation left … and you simply “save” them from themselves ….

When there is no scientific reason for mass mandatory vaccination and persecution of the non-compliant, one need to ask …. what is the objective.

So you know about what happened over there how? Media reports?

How about sworn testimony from my sister's dog groomer's cousin's best friend?

The usual 3 monkeys spouting their brand of stupid .....

 

[Rouxenator]

Just because this "pandemic" did not deliver on the stacks of dead bodies everywhere you look does not mean there is no virus. It's just far less severe than anticipated. Just like flue, so get your China lab flu shot and carry on.

As for lockdown, there should have never been a single day of that nonsense and we should have seen a big surge in fatalities of those more prone to China lab flu - then back to normal.

However some people think they are immortal and will never die.

 

[RiaX]

Unless there were edits, he didn't say 300k less, he said 200k more. So I think you are in agreement.

Oh damn I think you right. Whoops.

 

[SubtleBeast]

Go for it then. Prove me wrong.

The virus is real... yes, more contagious than most flus... yes, but it having a much higher mortality rate has been overhyped.

So you'll ask why? Money? Control?

If you are willing to do some deep research you might or might not think the same as I do.

Have a proper look at the following organisation: GAVI.

Then have a look at "vaccine bonds".

From there, follow the money.

 

[isie]

Yes and it is quite clear in the headline I used that it was only referring to Moderna.

BREAKING: Sweden And Denmark Ban Use Of Moderna SpikeVax In Young People, Citing Myocarditis

Thank you for clarifying when you referred to the Vax in previous posts it was Moderna SpikeVax

 

[zoozi]

Thank you for clarifying when you referred to the Vax in previous posts it was Moderna SpikeVax

Wonder if this has anything to do with injection protocols. Read a news report citing that intravenous injections (as apposed to into the muscle) might be causing these myocarditis cases. They're now saying you should do the pully-pully thing (lol tired sorry forgot the term) to see if blood is drawn before injecting further. US was suggesting NOT to do that, hence the potential myocarditis. Can't find the news report i read before but this seems to clarify:

Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model - PubMed

This study provided in vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[flytek]

Blaming the nurses....definately couldn't possibly have anything to do with the actual vaccine...

 

[pinball wizard]

The usual 3 monkeys spouting their brand of stupid .....

Meh. It's just the flu, bro.

 

[isie]

Wonder if this has anything to do with injection protocols. Read a news report citing that intravenous injections (as apposed to into the muscle) might be causing these myocarditis cases. They're now saying you should do the pully-pully thing (lol tired sorry forgot the term) to see if blood is drawn before injecting further. US was suggesting NOT to do that, hence the potential myocarditis. Can't find the news report i read before but this seems to clarify:

Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model - PubMed

This study provided in vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

pully-pully thing

 

[noxibox]

Wonder if this has anything to do with injection protocols. Read a news report citing that intravenous injections (as apposed to into the muscle) might be causing these myocarditis cases. They're now saying you should do the pully-pully thing (lol tired sorry forgot the term) to see if blood is drawn before injecting further. US was suggesting NOT to do that, hence the potential myocarditis. Can't find the news report i read before but this seems to clarify:

Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model - PubMed

This study provided in vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It might increase the risk of the side effect, but does it explain why some groups are more at risk than others?

 

[Daveogg]

It might increase the risk of the side effect, but does it explain why some groups are more at risk than others?

Most at risk - young males. Most vascular deltoid? young males?

 

[Paulsie]

Most at risk - young males. Most vascular deltoid? young males?

More deltoid = more muscle or more blood vessels??

 

[RiaX]

More deltoid = more muscle or more blood vessels??

I would say both

 

[Geoff.D]

I would say both

You need to start debating what "blood vessels" are then. More muscle tissue implies more capillary vessels. But these are surely not the ones that we worry about rather the larger vessels in the muscle tissue?

Clearly, quite a few arguing about this are not hunters and have not been involved in slaughtering and making biltong -----
Or, if they are, they have not been very observant.

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

Most at risk - young males. Most vascular deltoid? young males?

Maybe they should look at differences in lymph flow.
We already know that that vaccines increase your chances of developing lymphadenopathy:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

Maybe lymph flow in younger males is higher compared to other age groups and sex groups? If lymph flow is increased then more of the injected vaccine will reach the blood and heart which in turn causes the side effects.

EDIT,
I found this article showing differences in lymph flow between different ages:

https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/lymph/article/viewFile/17034/16827

 

[RiaX]

You need to start debating what "blood vessels" are then. More muscles tissue implies more capillary vessels. But these are surely not the ones that we worry about rather the larger vessels in the muscle tissue?

Clearly, quite a few arguing about this are not hunters and have not been involved in slaughtering and making biltong -----
Or, if they are, they have not been very observant.

Yes in terms of administration its not the small ones. Thats why the nurses pull back on the syringe plunger before they give the shot. This IV story might only occur due to laziness or stupidity I think

 

[flytek]

Certain vaccines cause the issue more which basically rules out blaming the nurses and puts the blame on the vaccine unless you happen to represent greater qualifications than the Swedish health agency?
Why is it worse after the second dose.?

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said, adding the risk of being affected was very small.

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

www.reuters.com

 

[RiaX]

Certain vaccines cause the issue more which basically rules out blaming the nurses and puts the blame on the vaccine unless you happen to represent greater qualifications than the Swedish health agency?
Why is it worse after the second dose.?

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," the health agency said, adding the risk of being affected was very small.

Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups

Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they are pausing the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups after reports of possible rare cardiovascular side effects.

www.reuters.com

I dont know what policies were in play at the vaccine drives in Sweeden and I frankly dont care. Anyway its an invalid point, we dont have Spikevax here in SA so this doesnt affect any South African patient. Looks like SAHPRA maybe did its job properly

Maybe I missed something but we were discussing administration. The pubmed article linked was looking specifically at IM vs IV.

So if our vaccines (pfizer or J&J) are causing it due to IV administration then yes its likely the vaccinators fault from what we know so far.