vaccination side effects

[flytek]

We also aren't vaccinating mice making that pubmed article invalid too. At least a study on actual humans might be useful no?

 

[Geoff.D]

Looks like SAHPRA maybe did its job properly

Now now, SAHPRA by its own admission does NOTHING to select or encourage the use of drugs in SA. They sit on their collective arses and wait for companies to present their products for evaluation.

In other words, SAHPRA had zero influence so far in preventing "spikevax" from being used in SA. Whatever "Spikevax" is supposed to be.

 

[RiaX]

We also aren't vaccinating mice making that pubmed article invalid too. At least a study on actual humans might be useful no?

Mice are quite handy but yes humans are better subjects.

Now now, SAHPRA by its own admission does NOTHING to select or encourage the use of drugs in SA. They sit on their collective arses and wait for companies to present their products for evaluation.

In other words, SAHPRA had zero influence so far in preventing "spikevax" from being used in SA. Whatever "Spikevax" is supposed to be.

I said maybe XD

 

[lumeer]

Now now, SAHPRA by its own admission does NOTHING to select or encourage the use of drugs in SA. They sit on their collective arses and wait for companies to present their products for evaluation.

In other words, SAHPRA had zero influence so far in preventing "spikevax" from being used in SA. Whatever "Spikevax" is supposed to be.

Their mandate is not to actively promote and investigate unregistered medicines. They simply don't have the funding or manpower for this.

 

[RiaX]

Their mandate is not to actively promote and investigate unregistered medicines. They simply don't have the funding or manpower for this.

They may have been tasked by the department of health to give their opinions on the various vax available at time of purchase before the department made its decision.

 

[lumeer]

I find it interesting that the minute likelihood of blood clots from the vaccines gets so much attention, while the much greater likelihood of blood clots from certain types of birth control and hormone replacement medication never gets spoken about. I think it is because anti-vaxxers aren't concerned about these risks in principle (if they were, they'd be equally vocal about the risks of birth control and hormone replacement therapy), but rather, they're opposed to vaccines on ideological grounds and are simply using the risks of the vaccines to try and scare people away from them.

 

[flytek]

Its quite simple. Do you believe current medical knowledge will still be held as 'right' 50 years from now? Bear in mind the vast amount of medical knowledge gained in the last 50 years and the likelihood of accelleration of gaining of new medical knowledge. Todays knowledge in 50 years hence could be comparable to that of 100 years ago in todays terms.
Those being recommeded for vaccines could last more than 50 years.
Would you today be happy to take the advice from a doctor 100 years in the past?

 

[semaphore]

Its quite simple. Do you believe current medical knowledge will still be held as 'right' 50 years from now? Bear in mind the vast amount of medical knowledge gained in the last 50 years and the likelihood of accelleration of gaining of new medical knowledge. Todays knowledge in 50 years hence could be comparable to that of 100 years ago in todays terms.
Those being recommeded for vaccines could last more than 50 years.
Would you today be happy to take the advice from a doctor 100 years in the past?

This post is full of irrelevant bs. What does 50 years from now and 100 years in the past have to do with risks associated to birth control ? Those are still valid risks today.

 

[flytek]

This post is full of irrelevant bs. What does 50 years from now and 100 years in the past have to do with risks associated to birth control ? Those are still valid risks today.

Take your three jabs a year and don't worry be happy....

 

[noxibox]

Now now, SAHPRA by its own admission does NOTHING to select or encourage the use of drugs in SA. They sit on their collective arses and wait for companies to present their products for evaluation.

In other words, SAHPRA had zero influence so far in preventing "spikevax" from being used in SA. Whatever "Spikevax" is supposed to be.

It is the product name for Moderna’s mRNA vaccine. But the reason it isn’t available in South Africa is because Moderna didn’t want to supply it, so there never was an application for approval.

 

["D"]

Sept:

Thanks for the welcome back I'm surprised people remember me I've been inactive for years. Lol was actually surprised that my account wasn't deactivated from inactivity

Oct:

I'm not going to argue with you. There's a difference you THINK you know how that world works. I live in it.

Ria is back with a bang!

 

[RiaX]

Sept:

Oct:

Ria is back with a bang!

lol.

 

[surface]

Thanks for the welcome back I'm surprised people remember me I've been inactive for years. Lol was actually surprised that my account wasn't deactivated from inactivity

It is ok. Most of us have lost jobs and now increasingly seen active on the forum.

 

[MoHaG]

I find it interesting that the minute likelihood of blood clots from the vaccines gets so much attention, while the much greater likelihood of blood clots from certain types of birth control and hormone replacement medication never gets spoken about. I think it is because anti-vaxxers aren't concerned about these risks in principle (if they were, they'd be equally vocal about the risks of birth control and hormone replacement therapy), but rather, they're opposed to vaccines on ideological grounds and are simply using the risks of the vaccines to try and scare people away from them.

The blood clots from the (viral vector) vaccines are different though (but extremely rare). They mostly occur in females below 40. For that group, if concerned about the risk, taking an mRNA vaccine that does not have that issue probably makes sense... (The quite rare heart inflammation issues with the mRNA vaccines mostly affect young males, which is a non-overlapping demographic)

 

[agustino]

The blood clots from the (viral vector) vaccines are different though (but extremely rare). They mostly occur in females below 40. For that group, if concerned about the risk, taking an mRNA vaccine that does not have that issue probably makes sense... (The quite rare heart inflammation issues with the mRNA vaccines mostly affect young males, which is a non-overlapping demographic)

You are writing as if you are an expert in medicine

Everyone one has become a medical doctor on issue concerning coo...... ona!!!!!!!!

 

[Xander8807]

Then his estimate of 300k less is wrong. The count is actually higher depending on parameters you use.

Covid can exacerbate other conditions. For example clotting is a known issue with covid. You can get a stroke a MI weeks after covid. You be marked as having a stroke or a MI but those clots are due to covid. Things like that.

Patients who had heart failure with cardiac function of like 20 to 30 % who were stable. Covid pushes the heart further into failure and then they die later maybe months later.

There are many examples so covid doesn't kill them but due to the damage done by covid they succumb to their other conditions.

sorry to just jump in here, but i have been following this post to see if anyone else perhaps went through what i did so i can give them assistance and advice to go see a doctor on similar symptoms.

In this post you are mentioning and therefore admitting that "Covid" basically "Speeds up/amplifies" any underlaying issues that you might have, so seeing your one of the guys who are constantly active and advertising that you are in contact/or reviewing data of Covid and Vaccine related Complications please explain this to me...

1. from adolescence until age of about 29 i was a healthy, spring chicken as we can call it, never really been at Doctors unless needed (Your maybe once a year Flu, Bronchitis, and a cut that needed medical attention).

2. 29 to 31 still healthy, going for every 6 months or so health checkup for Blood pressure, Sugar levels, Cholesterol checks etc etc....all was still relatively in normal ranges for my Body, Age, and weight.

3. 32 (When first lockdown struck) i went to doctor due to being exposed to Covid at the workplace, was feeling fluish with some breathing and sweating issues, came back it was Bronchitis with a bacterial infection in my lungs (Non related to smoking, and yes each doctor visit file shows im a smoker and have been cutting down on the uglies).

4. still 32, every 2 or so months (within lockdown and minimal exposure to public) i start feeling fluish, nigh sweats, and started getting some sinus complications i.e. sinus attacks leading to migraines(Doctor confirmed then i have Acute Sinusitis).

-whilst all this was undergoing and constantly having Covid tests done as per doctors, came back negative each time, and Blood pressure, sugar levels, Cholesterol levels, red blood cell count, white blood cell count etc on file and normal unless i had a infection of some sorts then the white platelet count would be higher.

5. Day Zero came that i had to make a choice of getting the vaccine to carry on providing for my family, or not too take it. (whilst i was not a "Anti Vaxxer" as they would classify but rather hesitant due to Family history of Strokes, Heart Attacks "All Blood and Clot related issues".

6. 24H after i received my dose (where the doctor said that sometimes they would inject a solution mixed with saline to have a less concentrated dose, or have a concentrated dose not mixed with Saline Solution, so conclusion i might have received a concentrated dose as per Medical practitioner discussion) i suffered a Mini stroke or in medical terms (once again confirmed via MRI and ECG) TIA (transient ischaemic attack), i did not go to hospital because i thought not much of it due to advice received when i got vaccine (fit the symptoms except the blurred/double vision and temporary left hand side swelling and weakness, yes i know i should have gone to hospital right away just based on that but im stubborn and as you can see by my history i stand strong and dont go to hospital for any ailment, then i would be classified as a hypochondriac like most people.

7. 38H after receiving my vaccine (including the previous 24H) i suffered some mild to harsh pains and discomfort (was at my parents in law's place) and they ended up calling in the First Responders, they came and immediately took my stats which they called in a Ambulance (RalMed) and noted that Patient had a Mild Heart Attack, Left Cornea was non Responsive, Patient suffering Angina, and loss of Oxygen (Saturation levels measured was on 68% on scene). At the time my Blood pressure was jumping between 150/90 and 170/130 with Heart Rates between 70 and 120.

8. Ambulance came with 2 welcoming gentleman and confirmed all diagnosis or post diagnosis as you would say and tested me again, they also noted with all the previous mentioned readings/confirmations that my lips, fingertips, legs and hands started turning Blue (or as they called in additionally to their station radio "cyanosis").

9. They proceeded to load me on their dolly and take me into the Ambulance ( I had "phased out" while in the house, but i was conscious at the time), whilst in the ambulance they hooked me up on a ECG monitor, Saturation level reader and Blood Pressure reader whilst we were starting to get going. In the 10m we were driving my Blood pressure spiked again to a level of 199/150 after being constant on 148/98 (Again i lost consciousness), the medic that was at the back proceeded to give me an aspirin and another Pill (i cannot recall what it was however still to be advised) where my blood pressure came down to 150s/100s..

10. I was admitted into Lakeview Netcare hospital for them to stabilize me(Drips and BP Machine etc) and do a CT Scan of my chest area. The attending Doctor on duty advised me that i suffered a Mild Heart Attack and have Heart Arrhythmia due to Angina. They transferred me to Arwyp Hospital right after as my medical was only covering Day admittance and not hospitalization, so they proceeded to do so with the Attending calling ahead and ambulance taking me there.

11. We arrived at Arwyp (at this point my BP was still stable but high still, averaging 150/100 with Oxygen Saturation levels of 68 and 78 and Heart rate high 60 and 110.

12. The Attending Doctor came in after they placed me on 2 additional drips (Saline - for clotting, Paracetamol - for pain) and ECG, O2 Saturation meter, and BP Monitor. He noted down the results and looked at the CT Scans from Lakeview Netcare. He came back 4H later and told me that i "have a white lining/cloud around my lungs and that he would place me on medication to treat it, and that my BP,O2 levels, and chest pains are due to this", then they proceeded to take my Blood for tests (as per usual for tests i believe). 2H after that he came back with discharge papers and gave me the results of the Blood tests indicating low red platelet count, high White platelet count and high troponin count stating that "if i dont feel better in a weeks time i must come back because this is Post Vaccine Complications".

13. The week from Sunday night 11pm continued with me having very difficulty breathing (10 words where i have to stop and breathe after 3 or 4 words) but still taking the medication, and the issues/symptoms did not get better. Friday i decided to go to Parklands Hospital with all my paperwork from Lakeview and Arwyp and ask to be admitted to casualties for checkup due to the symptoms.

14. They immediately took me in after the Attending Doctor on duty saw my paperwork, saw me and my symptoms. He immediately told the nurses to get me into a Emergency Casualty room for ECG, Bloods, BP, Drips and Covid test (this is now my 9th Covid test since 1st one in 2020).

15. Whilst i was in the room my Blood pressure spiked yet again to 160/110 and Heartbeat 109 with O2 saturation levels on 72%. The Doctor came back with all the tests and advised me he is admitting me immediately and that my Fiance is sorting out the Medical aid etc etc.

16. They admitted me into the West wing pending Covid test results, the following day i was moved into normal Physician wards post results (which was negative again).

17. I was admitted for the duration of 4 days where i went for MRI scans, Stress tests on ECG and treadmill, Neck Sonar scan, blood tests, lung capacity tests and a echocardiogram. The duration of the hospitalization i received drips, meds twice a day for blood pressure, clotting, heart damage etc etc.

18. On the day of discharge i went for another echocardiogram and the attending doctor diagnosed me after reviewing all the results with the below and placed me on home duty and follow-up consultation 4 weeks later (21st of this month) and then again after 6 months.

-High Blood pressure
-Hypertension
-High Cholesterol (levels to be confirmed on checkup)
-Diabetic (Level to be confirmed on checkup)
-Heart Damage (Left ventricular hypertrophy)
-Myocardial infarction with Irregular Angina

19. After dischargement my Family in law came to pick me up and we went to their house, i was there for most of the day as i was discharged at 10 and about at 3pm i suffered chest pain (not so bad as before) and severe pain in my neck, my mother in law contacted him immediately and he advised that its because im coming off the medication they gave to me via the IV (intravenous Injection) and i should drink the medication and not wait for the following morning, so i did that.

20. From that day i have had issues with stuttering when i get stressed or anxious, trouble finding words to communicate with people (physical speaking), and chest pains, however it has started to become less and i can be more productive, but still have the occasional stutter or mumble when speaking.

21. So after all this i am on medication to treat all of the prognosis (21 pills per day split between morning and night) and feeling better day by day and doing light exercises to strengthen my left hand side that has severely been impacted by meaning of power.

22. have to keep a daily dairy of any abnormalities within me or that my Fiancé notes for the checkup as there might be another chance of Heart Attack for the next 6 months so that the doctor will be able to make an informed diagnosis paired with the results of his tests again on the 21st.

 

[Xander8807]

Then his estimate of 300k less is wrong. The count is actually higher depending on parameters you use.

Covid can exacerbate other conditions. For example clotting is a known issue with covid. You can get a stroke a MI weeks after covid. You be marked as having a stroke or a MI but those clots are due to covid. Things like that.

Patients who had heart failure with cardiac function of like 20 to 30 % who were stable. Covid pushes the heart further into failure and then they die later maybe months later.

There are many examples so covid doesn't kill them but due to the damage done by covid they succumb to their other conditions.

Continued..
Once again not generalizing anything here, but the vaccines all have different results on different people, unfortunately when something like this happens (And Thank God i managed to get past it).

And i personally know now in just the last 6 months about 5 people whom have succumbed to illness that led to death (Mostly Cardiac Prognoses in post mortem) and 8 people whom have had some sort of Stroke, Heart Attack, or Vascular complications. And all of them had the Vaccine (some voluntary, some not voluntary, some forced) and they all have been Pfizer funny enough, 1st and/or 2nd injections.

So apologies if this might come over as attacking you or ill willed wording, but there are in actual fact individuals whom has suffered, and families suffering due to complications led after vaccine and in my knowledge just from the people that i know of (Close friends/family or family friends) was all in the same lets say category of Vascular or Cardiac complications.

And please i am not looking for a Keyboard Ninja fight here for other forum members whom want to tell me its because of previous illnesses or whatever the case may be, as i mentioned and have on file and official records i did not have any "Noted Diagnoses or Prognoses" from "Medical Practitioners" in the past.

 

[Geoff.D]

Continued..
Once again not generalizing anything here, but the vaccines all have different results on different people, unfortunately when something like this happens (And Thank God i managed to get past it).

And i personally know now in just the last 6 months about 5 people whom have succumbed to illness that led to death (Mostly Cardiac Prognoses in post mortem) and 8 people whom have had some sort of Stroke, Heart Attack, or Vascular complications. And all of them had the Vaccine (some voluntary, some not voluntary, some forced) and they all have been Pfizer funny enough, 1st and/or 2nd injections.

So apologies if this might come over as attacking you or ill willed wording, but there are in actual fact individuals whom has suffered, and families suffering due to complications led after vaccine and in my knowledge just from the people that i know of (Close friends/family or family friends) was all in the same lets say category of Vascular or Cardiac complications.

And please i am not looking for a Keyboard Ninja fight here for other forum members whom want to tell me its because of previous illnesses or whatever the case may be, as i mentioned and have on file and official records i did not have any "Noted Diagnoses or Prognoses" from "Medical Practitioners" in the past.

My best wishes for a speedy recovery from your experience.

Thank you for sharing. Your post should be a wake-up call to those pushing the vaccine for all their might to respect the rights of individuals to choose not to get the vaccine because they have sound valid reasons. And, again emphasizing the need to know your own medical history before just getting the jab.

 

[surface]

Continued..
Once again not generalizing anything here, but the vaccines all have different results on different people, unfortunately when something like this happens (And Thank God i managed to get past it).

And i personally know now in just the last 6 months about 5 people whom have succumbed to illness that led to death (Mostly Cardiac Prognoses in post mortem) and 8 people whom have had some sort of Stroke, Heart Attack, or Vascular complications. And all of them had the Vaccine (some voluntary, some not voluntary, some forced) and they all have been Pfizer funny enough, 1st and/or 2nd injections.

So apologies if this might come over as attacking you or ill willed wording, but there are in actual fact individuals whom has suffered, and families suffering due to complications led after vaccine and in my knowledge just from the people that i know of (Close friends/family or family friends) was all in the same lets say category of Vascular or Cardiac complications.

And please i am not looking for a Keyboard Ninja fight here for other forum members whom want to tell me its because of previous illnesses or whatever the case may be, as i mentioned and have on file and official records i did not have any "Noted Diagnoses or Prognoses" from "Medical Practitioners" in the past.

I totally believe you because you joined in 2012 and hardly any posts till now. You wouldn't post if it was not serious, isn't it ?

 

[kolaval]

So what are the reasons people you made contact with for refusing the vaccines or being hesitant? Would be interesting to get real-world SA feedback instead of all the BS we see on myBB.

Like your posts?