vaccination side effects

[Geoff.D]

There are much simpler explanations than all this mental gymnastics:

As discussed many months ago, most of these "mental statistical gymnastics" were then and are still nothing more than an exercise in the basics and contribute very little to nothing in the understanding of the impact of this virus. The ONLY figure we need to bother about is the excess deaths beyond the norm.

 

[PsyWulf]

Since it's all over the place, could you please provide evidence? To back up the claim.

If you got vaccinated and a piano falls on your head - it's vaccine death don't you know

 

[JustinB]

How would you know if you had/have blood clots?

Apart from doing scans? Some clots are visible - my brother had a pretty significant clot in his leg that you could feel and see. A clot in the lung can cause symptoms such as low SpO2 stats.

When my lungs recovery stagnated for a couple days, the doc had scans done to see if there were clots.

Not sure if that helps, but if you're worried and are experiencing some sort of symptom, you should get it checked out.

 

[JustinB]

As discussed many months ago, most of these "mental statistical gymnastics" were then and are still nothing more than an exercise in the basics and contribute very little to nothing in the understanding of the impact of this virus. The ONLY figure we need to bother about is the excess deaths beyond the norm.

Excluding murders and MVAs etc.

 

[Hush9300]

I would not write off 3 so easily, as, all over the place, there is evidence emerging that deaths due to vaccine injury are just not been logged correctly.

I put 3 in there to piss people off. I'm almost sure that it is not the case because said deaths would have to be rather significant. You simply cannot sweep that many bodies under a rug.

 

[JohnStarr]

If you got vaccinated and a piano falls on your head - it's vaccine death don't you know

I know. And I know that Geoffly has me on Ignore as I have him too. I enjoy poking him with a stick. Like now...provide proof to backup a wide-ranging, possibly incorrect statement.
He won't, will simply ignore it, and his comment will go unchecked.

 

[Geoff.D]

Excluding murders and MVAs etc.

That is assumed because this is about natural deaths not unnatural deaths.

 

[Hush9300]

As discussed many months ago, most of these "mental statistical gymnastics" were then and are still nothing more than an exercise in the basics and contribute very little to nothing in the understanding of the impact of this virus. The ONLY figure we need to bother about is the excess deaths beyond the norm.

Using excess deaths is in itself flawed as expected deaths are predicted. In that sense 2020 will account for more as predicted mortality going forward would have been adjusted upwards.

 

[JustinB]

That is assumed because this is about natural deaths not unnatural deaths.

Then the posts above referring to all-cause mortality are irrelevant.

 

[Geoff.D]

I put 3 in there to piss people off. I'm almost sure that it is not the case because said deaths would have to be rather significant. You simply cannot sweep that many bodies under a rug.

It is not about sweeping bodies under the rug. You can't. But you CAN log deaths incorrectly --- that is just a matter of ticking the right or wrong block and failing to acknowledge a contributing cause of death.

 

[Geoff.D]

Using excess deaths is in itself flawed as expected deaths are predicted. In that sense 2020 will account for more as predicted mortality going forward would have been adjusted upwards.

Really not a problem - just understand how individual countries analyse "deaths" to come up with an "excess death" value.

 

[Geoff.D]

Then the posts above referring to all-cause mortality are irrelevant.

Most of the time people are "assuming" "all-cause deaths" is referring to "all-cause NATURAL deaths".

Yes it is is careless talk, but that is the way it is everywhere.
Hence why the SAMRC take so much care in preparing their reports.

 

[Hush9300]

It is not about sweeping bodies under the rug. You can't. But you CAN log deaths incorrectly --- that is just a matter of ticking the right or wrong block and failing to acknowledge a contributing cause of death.

I refuse to believe that basically all medical personnel are rotten to the core. It's highly improbable in my opinion.

 

[Hush9300]

Most of the time people are "assuming" "all-cause deaths" is referring to "all-cause NATURAL deaths".

Yes it is is careless talk, but that is the way it is everywhere.
Hence why the SAMRC take so much care in preparing their reports.

The all cause mortality we're referring to is natural deaths.

 

[JustinB]

I refuse to believe that basically all medical personnel are rotten to the core. It's highly improbable in my opinion.

Of course. Its also improbable that big pharma or some secret society has paid off all governments, or that all governments are colluding to "enforce control" over society.

But people believe some weird stuff...

 

[JohnStarr]

It is not about sweeping bodies under the rug. You can't. But you CAN log deaths incorrectly --- that is just a matter of ticking the right or wrong block and failing to acknowledge a contributing cause of death.

Are you openly accusing doctors of doing this? Or saying it could happen and putting it down to fatigue etc?

 

[Geoff.D]

I refuse to believe that basically all medical personnel are rotten to the core. It's highly improbable in my opinion.

So do I. I have said so many, many times. I refuse to believe those doing observational studies are deliberately practising fraud etc.
As our esteemed Eskom CEO says.

Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Or, in more general terms:

"never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity [or incompetence or inadequate training]".

 

[Geoff.D]

Of course. Its also improbable that big pharma or some secret society has paid off all governments, or that all governments are colluding to "enforce control" over society.

But people believe some weird stuff...

No, that one is much simpler than that --- it is just GREED.

 

[JohnStarr]

I refuse to believe that basically all medical personnel are rotten to the core. It's highly improbable in my opinion.

Medical people take an oath (I watched my wife take hers). For the vast majority, they are very ethical people sworn to that oath, and have decided on careers as doctors, pharmacists, nurses etc. due to a very real personal belief in helping people.
Some are rotten apples, but then again you get that in religion and business as well. Unfortunately there's no lie detector test to be taken before getting your cap doffed. These people do come out.
But it's best not to taint all people with the same brush.

 

[Hush9300]

Medical people take an oath (I watched my wife take hers). For the vast majority, they are very ethical people sworn to that oath, and have decided on careers as doctors, pharmacists, nurses etc. due to a very real personal belief in helping people.
Some are rotten apples, but then again you get that in religion and business as well. Unfortunately there's no lie detector test to be taken before getting your cap doffed. These people do come out.
But it's best not to taint all people with the same brush.

I'm with you. The problem with this whole Covid rigmarole is that it got politicised very early on (the second China locked down). Once the politics was entrenched it quickly became a moral thing built on the premise that the virus could be eliminated.

Unachievable buffoonery is what it was. I mean look at Australia...