vaccination side effects

[JohnStarr]

I'm with you. The problem with this whole Covid rigmarole is that it got politicised very early on (the second China locked down). Once the politics was entrenched it quickly became a moral thing built on the premise that the virus could be eliminated.

Unachievable buffoonery is what it was. I mean look at Australia...

Leave Australia alone. They're on an entirely different plane of existence at the moment. I am sure most of the world looks on them in derision. And I honestly hope they're not forming the basis of the litmus test on what to do and how to approach things.

There is a very real push here (and I know you probably don't like to see it) where some have really tried their utmost to rubbish medical people locally. We have seen these forumites attacking SAHPRA for not approving IVM for immediate use; we have seen these people trash local doctors for voicing their very real experiences and then seen them basically being called charlatans and fakes; we have seen these people attacking doctors and pharmacists for not simply putting their jobs and livelihoods on the line in prescribing medication that's not yet approved for treating IVM.

This is when I became a skeptic and have since spent my time actively pushing their buttons, and calling them out asking for proof. I tried to take the middle ground and it seemed, at the time, if you didn't fall in with their search results, you were wrong.

Sorry if I perhaps thought you maybe fell into that group!

 

[pinball wizard]

Leave Australia alone. They're on an entirely different plane of existence at the moment. I am sure most of the world looks on them in derision. And I honestly hope they're not forming the basis of the litmus test on what to do and how to approach things.

There is a very real push here (and I know you probably don't like to see it) where some have really tried their utmost to rubbish medical people locally. We have seen these forumites attacking SAHPRA for not approving IVM for immediate use; we have seen these people trash local doctors for voicing their very real experiences and then seen them basically being called charlatans and fakes; we have seen these people attacking doctors and pharmacists for not simply putting their jobs and livelihoods on the line in prescribing medication that's not yet approved for treating IVM.

This is when I became a skeptic and have since spent my time actively pushing their buttons, and calling them out asking for proof. I tried to take the middle ground and it seemed, at the time, if you didn't fall in with their search results, you were wrong.

Sorry if I perhaps thought you maybe fell into that group!

Hey, I've seen people trashing doctors on this forum when those doctors spoke out against the vaccine and mask wearing. This goes both ways.

 

[JohnStarr]

Hey, I've seen people trashing doctors on this forum when those doctors spoke out against the vaccine and mask wearing. This goes both ways.

It does yes! Unfortunately the rule is that we need to wear a mask. I'd prefer not to, but it is what it is and hopefully it stops soon.

And I am specifically referring to doctors saying, for instance, that people filling up ICUs are people who relied on IVM or who were unvaccinated.

This only ended up in a few posting absolute scorn. I mean, how can someone who's actually dedicated to saving people, has most likely watched some die, had to help people say goodbye to family before being intubated, or had to deal with some tin hat questions after long hours in a hospital actually say anything about a real life situation.

 

[JohnStarr]

No, that one is much simpler than that --- it is just GREED.

Big Pharma Geoffly...interestingly, not the people dedicated to saving lives. The same people you have actively attacked here.

 

[Daveogg]

No. Just no... You talk about manipulating statistics to further an agenda yet you blatantly do the same.

Jan - October 2020 = 499,933
Jan - October 2021 = 524,975

The UK started vaccinations in the second week of December 2020. The vaccine has made no dent whatsoever on all cause mortality. None.

Covid was apparently 2020's great killer, yet the introduction of a highly effective vaccine has done nothing to arrest this trend.

There are much simpler explanations than all this mental gymnastics:

1. Covid was and continues to pick off the vulnerable, even post vaccination or;
2. Covid wasn't that deadly to begin with or;
3. If vaccine is so effective, all cause parity is a result of vaccine injury

My money is on 1 and 2.

As predicted we go down a rabbit hole of confounding variables.
You want to count Jan-March 2021 on the side of vaccinated?
1 April 2021 46% one dose, 6.1% 2 doses. Your logic makes no sense.

 

[Hush9300]

As predicted we go down a rabbit hole of confounding variables.
You want to count Jan-March 2021 on the side of vaccinated?
1 April 2021 46% one dose, 6.1% 2 doses. Your logic makes no sense.

We can do this another way then....

April - October 2020 (Very naive population)
April - October 2021 (Ever increasing vaccinated population)

 

[Daveogg]

We can do this another way then....

April - October 2020 (Very naive population)
April - October 2021 (Ever increasing vaccinated population)

We could, do you want too?
Or
We could wait and do Nov-March 2021 and compare it to Nov-March 2022?
Or
We could accept that their are so many confounding variables, that whatever we do, on this forum, with the data we have available to us has little validity.

 

[Hush9300]

Leave Australia alone. They're on an entirely different plane of existence at the moment. I am sure most of the world looks on them in derision. And I honestly hope they're not forming the basis of the litmus test on what to do and how to approach things.

There is a very real push here (and I know you probably don't like to see it) where some have really tried their utmost to rubbish medical people locally. We have seen these forumites attacking SAHPRA for not approving IVM for immediate use; we have seen these people trash local doctors for voicing their very real experiences and then seen them basically being called charlatans and fakes; we have seen these people attacking doctors and pharmacists for not simply putting their jobs and livelihoods on the line in prescribing medication that's not yet approved for treating IVM.

This is when I became a skeptic and have since spent my time actively pushing their buttons, and calling them out asking for proof. I tried to take the middle ground and it seemed, at the time, if you didn't fall in with their search results, you were wrong.

Sorry if I perhaps thought you maybe fell into that group!

I don't have a horse in this Ivermectin race but as I understand its benefit lies in its use as a prophylactic and I'm in principle against taking medication you don't need. When I had Covid I was prescribed an antiviral and a steroid. In fact the doctors (GP and ENT) couldn't explain what was wrong at the time. It was only when Covid became a thing that my GP called and said I should get an antibody test when available.

 

[Hush9300]

We could, do you want too?
Or
We could wait and do Nov-March 2021 and compare it to Nov-March 2022?
Or
We could accept that their are so many confounding variables, that whatever we do, on this forum, with the data we have available to us has little validity.

I am acceptant of the confounding factors but I'm not in favour of torturing the data. 2020 is highly relevant due to the naïve population.

 

[Daveogg]

I am acceptant of the confounding factors but I'm not in favour of torturing the data. 2020 is highly relevant due to the naïve population.

Ok did you do your calculation?

 

[Geoff.D]

When I had Covid I was prescribed an antiviral and a steroid.

An anti-viral? Would be interesting if you could name it.

 

[PsyWulf]

We can do this another way then....

April - October 2020 (Very naive population)
April - October 2021 (Ever increasing vaccinated population)

Hi im hush and i'd like to do a non-statistically-accurate comparison of apples and watermelons based on them being plants,never mind they don't have available baselines that are comparable due to other shifting variables my limited knowledge cant factor in so i'll just disregard it as irrelevant
So we agree watermelons are better right?

I just want a simple X Y graph guys, why won't you just give me an X Y graph

 

[Muiskas]

It does yes! Unfortunately the rule is that we need to wear a mask. I'd prefer not to, but it is what it is and hopefully it stops soon.

And I am specifically referring to doctors saying, for instance, that people filling up ICUs are people who relied on IVM or who were unvaccinated.

This only ended up in a few posting absolute scorn. I mean, how can someone who's actually dedicated to saving people, has most likely watched some die, had to help people say goodbye to family before being intubated, or had to deal with some tin hat questions after long hours in a hospital actually say anything about a real life situation.

I'm a criminal because I don't wear a mask at any time. The dorpie store doesn't bother kicking people out who are unmasked. The entire mask debacle is just a virtue-signalling action.

 

[JohnStarr]

I'm a criminal because I don't wear a mask at any time. The dorpie store doesn't bother kicking people out who are unmasked. The entire mask debacle is just a virtue-signalling action.

Honestly man, who gives a hoot. Do what you want too in your little dorp.

I see Geoffly reacted to this ...must have tickled his old man funny bone a little. Clearly doesn't take much.

 

[PsyWulf]

I'm a criminal because I don't wear a mask at any time. The dorpie store doesn't bother kicking people out who are unmasked. The entire mask debacle is just a virtue-signalling action.

Standard antivaxxturd
"Screw data,i'll do what I want"

Cool story bro,have a cookie

 

[RiaX]

An anti-viral? Would be interesting if you could name it.

His Dr probably gave him tamiflu if it was done as an out patient. Wont work but no harm in trying.

 

[Hush9300]

Ok did you do your calculation?

Microsoft Power BI

app.powerbi.com

Above is the link to the data - You can get the excel file by going to data download.

An anti-viral? Would be interesting if you could name it.

I don't have a clue but it couldn't be too hard to find out.

I'm a criminal because I don't wear a mask at any time. The dorpie store doesn't bother kicking people out who are unmasked. The entire mask debacle is just a virtue-signalling action.

So am I. I only wear a mask only when going to the mall because these tools keep reminding me about it.

 

[Hush9300]

His Dr probably gave him tamiflu if it was done as an out patient. Wont work but no harm in trying.

It was not tamiflu. At the time of seeing the doctors my only symptom was complete lack of taste. The doctor referred me to an ENT where all sorts silly tests with ice cream like sticks were conducted. The coughing (a dry and sore cough) developed later and put me flat on my arse for about week. I didn't take any medication for the flu like symptoms.

 

[PsyWulf]

My question is still unanswered.

Should I rephrase, in your professional capacity, are you advising people to ignore the article, and the results of the study?

Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS)
"A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination."

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

Sooooo

In a tooootally unexpected turn of events

The AHA has posted a warning on this abstract about multiple errors in methodogy and overall lack of quality - anecdotal data,no proper statistical analysis,lack of actual data and a warning that the abstract will be removed if not updated and corrected

Guess that answers your question pooch?

 

[RiaX]

It was not tamiflu. At the time of seeing the doctors my only symptom was complete lack of taste. The doctor referred me to an ENT where all sorts silly tests with ice cream like sticks were conducted. The coughing (a dry and sore cough) developed later and put me flat on my arse for about week. I didn't take any medication for the flu like symptoms.

what he gave you then ?

I dont know why the Dr sent you to an ENT for covid they just wasted your money IMO. Covid takes slightly longer to manifest its symptoms maybe a day or two longer than flu