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StrontiumDog said:
He normally does link to the original paper. From what I see in this one he only included a screenshot.

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I found the link to the preprint
www.medrxiv.org

Risk of Myopericarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination in a Large Integrated Health System: A Comparison of Completeness and Timeliness of Two Methods

Purpose How completely do hospital discharge diagnoses identify cases of myopericarditis after an mRNA vaccine? Methods We assembled a cohort 12 to 39 years old patients, insured by Kaiser Permanente Northwest, who received at least one dose of an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna)...
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And as per diapason's comment, it's a 5 minute video.
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Even at 100 cases per million did that factor in the recovery rate?
Singapore had something like 800 cases per 9million, (which is pretty close to above) and 1 fatality
 
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Tim_vb said:
We know many flu viruses can cause myocarditis - so is the risk and severity better or worse than myocarditis caused by COVID vs vaccine?

I'll let the forum's microbiology PHDs and cardiologists consult their facebook and telegram groups and rumble links for hard data and accurate research
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The conspiracy crackpots only care about side effects and complications if it's from the vaccine. A blood clot from COVID? Nothing major. A blood clot from a COVID vaccine? Super dangerous. Guillain-Barre only counts to them if the vaccine caused it. And so on and so on.

Case in point was one nut posting an article on a thread yesterday, about acute disseminated encephalomyelitis in an 8 year old girl. He did it thinking it was because she was vaccinated, when the article literally said the likely cause was due to her having COVID, and there was absolutely no mention of her getting vaccinated anywhere in the article :ROFL:
 
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I'm half vaxxed and just had Covid.

What happens if I only get my 2nd jab 6 months from my first?
 
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pouroverguy said:
The conspiracy crackpots only care about side effects and complications if it's from the vaccine. A blood clot from COVID? Nothing major. A blood clot from a COVID vaccine? Super dangerous. Guillain-Barre only counts to them if the vaccine caused it. And so on and so on.

Case in point was one nut posting an article on a thread yesterday, about acute disseminated encephalomyelitis in an 8 year old girl. He did it thinking it was because she was vaccinated, when the article literally said the likely cause was due to her having COVID, and there was absolutely no mention of her getting vaccinated anywhere in the article :ROFL:
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Thats the problem with coming from a place of bad faith based on conspiracy theories and distrust of authority,they keep shifting goalposts and looking for holes and get caught pants-down everytime

Meanwhile,any nonfraud reviewed studies come saying vaccines are causing more deaths than covid,ivermectin actually works etc i'm more than happy to acquiesce to the science
 
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Geoff.D said:
The added problem is we are relying on translations of documents written in Japanese, which most of us are not able to verify also. I have seen other references where quite a few Japanese experts have expressed concern about the accidental injection of the vaccines directly into blood vessels and also leaking into the circulatory system via the capillaries.

So, unfortunately for all of us, there are still lots of loose ends to this debate. As far as I am concerned the jury is still out ----
People, especially fit sportspeople, ARE having all sorts of cardio-vascular issues, that have NOT been addressed very well by any of the vaccine manufacturers.
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IN your expert opinion are they directly related to the vaccine? If you cannot answer that, how do you expect the real life experts to do that? Or have they said it's because of the vaccine...

The blood vessel thing was addressed ages ago before someone dodgy got me banned from the one forum (quite a sod to have done that, but hey...) BY a doctor with multiple examples, as well as a pharmacist with multiple examples, and yet you still banged on about it. You had the information.
 
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PsyWulf said:
Thats the problem with coming from a place of bad faith based on conspiracy theories and distrust of authority,they keep shifting goalposts and looking for holes and get caught pants-down everytime

Meanwhile,any nonfraud reviewed studies come saying vaccines are causing more deaths than covid,ivermectin actually works etc i'm more than happy to acquiesce to the science
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They only care about "science" and "scientists" if what comes out suits them. They believe that they're not sheep when they actually are, and think that they're special and superior because they have beliefs that go against the majority.
 
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buchanan8 said:
There is no justification for vaccine mandates in sports or anywhere else. It would be insane if the Australian Open bans Djokovic from defending his title for not disclosing his vaccine status. A person's vaccine status is utterly irrelevant and nobody's business.
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Try going to pub/restaurant in Ireland or NYC with that attitude.
 
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Cool artwork...
 
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buchanan8 said:
There is no justification for vaccine mandates in sports or anywhere else. It would be insane if the Australian Open bans Djokovic from defending his title for not disclosing his vaccine status. A person's vaccine status is utterly irrelevant and nobody's business.
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He tried to get an exception and failed. Move on. The Aussie cricketers are ALL vaccinated (the English players as well). Why move the goalposts for a tennis player?
 
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Tim_vb said:
why do these guys always use 2 hour video blogs instead of a concise paper backed up with links to references, sources and data. Video is the worst medium to communicate facts and logic
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He is a qualified medical Doctor.

Leave him feedback on his YouTube channel.
 
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marvelguy said:
He is a qualified medical Doctor.

Leave him feedback on his YouTube channel.
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medical doctors are not automatically public health experts, epidemiology researchers or microbiology researchers.

I'll believe the 99% of voices in the medical community that say the mRNA vaccines are safe and reasonably effective. You can believe the remaining 1% that live off the publicity they get from being "lone wolves" because they have chips on their shoulders like the beloved Dr Malone. I'm happy to read his research is published and pass peer review in a credible medical journal.

If you love videos you can list to the refutation of Dr Malone's claims (youtube) that covers most common anti vaxxer claims. Sources and data cited in this video (see YT description for full links)

mRNA vaccine history:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d4158... https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s4157...

Malone is not mentioned many lists of major contributors to the development of the Merck Ebola vaccine:
www.statnews.com

An Ebola vaccine was more than two decades in the making. Here are some key people who made it happen

It seemed like for years an Ebola vaccine would never be made. Here's a look at some of the key people who made it happen.
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‘Against all odds’: The inside story of how scientists across three continents produced an Ebola vaccine

The story of the Ebola vaccine is a story of scientific grit — and researchers on three continents who toiled to achieve what was once unthinkable.
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Universal vaccination leads to less transmission and, most importantly, milder disease:
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/cont... https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandin... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w...

It is not yet possible to know who is invulnerable to COVID without them getting infected: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eb... https://www.nature.com/articles/s4146...

Animal trials were not skipped:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056... https://www.nature.com/articles/s4158...

Extensive monitoring of COVID vaccine safety has taken place. And yes, they are safe: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056... https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...

The risks of COVID vaccines have been openly discussed, researched, and acted upon when necessary:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s4159... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/20... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/mee...

Efforts to repurpose drugs has been going on the entire pandemic, viruses are just very tricky to treat:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJM... https://www.science.org/content/artic...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estimation of alcohol intake from laboratory results - PubMed

Subjects with abnormalities in a number of laboratory tests were shown to have higher than usual probabilities of being heavy drinkers. Quantitative estimates have been made of the probabilities of heavy drinking from the results of the following tests: gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase, mean...
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Hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID:
https://theconversation.com/why-hydro...
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.... https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/...

Chloroquine was only shown to kill SARS1 in-vitro, which does not translate to effectiveness: https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/a...

Uttar Pradesh lowered COVID counts using lockdowns, testing, and a large vaccination campaign:

Malone’s claims about secrecy of the medication packets handed out in Uttar Pradesh are false: https://www.opindia.com/2022/01/rober...

Japan never recommended ivermectin for treatment of COVID:

Previous infection does not make COVID vaccination riskier, it just makes your immunity better: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ec... https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/s...

There are plenty of good reasons to not rely on natural immunity: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healt...
 
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Tim_vb said:
why do these guys always use 2 hour video blogs instead of a concise paper backed up with links to references, sources and data. Video is the worst medium to communicate facts and logic
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This guy does exactly this. I wouldn't necessarily agree video is the worst medium, but it isn't as good as reading a study with all the details contained in it.

 
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Tim_vb said:
medical doctors are not automatically public health experts, epidemiology researchers or microbiology researchers.

I'll believe the 99% of voices in the medical community that say the mRNA vaccines are safe and reasonably effective. You can believe the remaining 1% that live off the publicity they get from being "lone wolves" because they have chips on their shoulders like the beloved Dr Malone. I'm happy to read his research is published and pass peer review in a credible medical journal.
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Prasad also says that, at least for the majority of cases. (But he's not a fan of mandating it)

The risks for the mRNA vaccines are more for younger men (still less than getting COVID, but not 0), on the second dose and the benefits are less (since their risk from COVID itself is lower) (There are benefits for society as well - smaller with Omicron though - in a reduction of infection numbers and quicker viral clearance)

That higher risk on the second dose is likely why ZA only gives one dose for 12-17 years. (Using the J&J vaccine instead might make sense as well)

(The FDA's committee was hesitant to recommend that the vaccine should be available for 5-11 year olds in the US due to the tendency that it might be mandated for them then and that the benefits for healthy children are not that much more than the risks)

(The individual risk/benefit is much clearer for some aged ~30 or so and older) (The myocarditis is less in older people and the risks from COVID is significantly more)
 
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