Vaccines prevented 143,600 hospital admissions, says Public Health England

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More than 140,000 hospital admissions in England are estimated to have been prevented by the vaccine rollout.

The latest estimate of 143,600 is a sharp rise on the previous one of more than 82,100.

The new figures, from Public Health England (PHE), have been hailed as showing the “vital role” vaccines play in preventing severe disease.

The organisation said approximately 36,100 admissions were estimated to have been prevented in those aged 65 to 74, while for 75 to 84-year-olds the figure was 58,800, and it was 48,700 in those aged 85 and over.

Estimates for the number of deaths in England directly averted by the vaccine rollout are unchanged at between 102,500 and 109,500.
 

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What about the other 70% of the population ? No mention of that in their high flying article, so are they saying it is as useless as I thought for those under 65 years old ?

At least the data is more consistent now, rarely any mention of lives saved relating to people who still have a life (below coffin chewing 65 year olds old) and not pre-covid already stroking the beard of the Grim Reaper.

Lets see the reported data for new cases and deaths.

New cases: (uhm, doesn't look impressive at all, at best no different to wave1)

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deaths: (ye , these people are hoping and fudging results. Deaths look on par and in some cases worse than Wave 1 deaths)

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These results do not convince me in their "vaccines saving so many lives" articles. In time maybe but right now the data do not support these claims.
 

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What about the other 70% of the population ? No mention of that in their high flying article, so are they saying it is as useless as I thought for those under 65 years old ?

At least the data is more consistent now, rarely any mention of lives saved relating to people who still have a life (below coffin chewing 65 year olds old) and not pre-covid already stroking the beard of the Grim Reaper.

Lets see the reported data for new cases and deaths.

New cases: (uhm, doesn't look impressive at all, at best no different to wave1)

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deaths: (ye , these people are hoping and fudging results. Deaths look on par and in some cases worse than Wave 1 deaths)

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These results do not convince me in their "vaccines saving so many lives" articles. In time maybe but right now the data do not support these claims.
Their new cases graph looks like ours, where the 3rd wave starts going down and then kind of flat lines at the half way part. Ours seems to be heading downwards at last.
 

Park@82

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Does viruses become less deadly as they mutate?
It seems like form a evolutionary perspective this would be the case...
 

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What about the other 70% of the population ? No mention of that in their high flying article, so are they saying it is as useless as I thought for those under 65 years old ?

At least the data is more consistent now, rarely any mention of lives saved relating to people who still have a life (below coffin chewing 65 year olds old) and not pre-covid already stroking the beard of the Grim Reaper.

Lets see the reported data for new cases and deaths.

New cases: (uhm, doesn't look impressive at all, at best no different to wave1)

View attachment 1141164

deaths: (ye , these people are hoping and fudging results. Deaths look on par and in some cases worse than Wave 1 deaths)

View attachment 1141166


These results do not convince me in their "vaccines saving so many lives" articles. In time maybe but right now the data do not support these claims.
You need lasik surgery or something... Compare cases:deaths ratio from June 30th onwards to the cases:deaths ratio in January. Can you not see the difference?
 

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why get upset about someone's calculation?

More than 140,000 hospital admissions in England are estimated to have been prevented by the vaccine rollout.

The latest estimate of 143,600 is a sharp rise on the previous one of more than 82,100
there's literally no way to know for sure, the drop in admissions are also impacted by Delta being less deadly (mathematically proven) or natural immunity from prior waves already being widespread or the vaccine

fact is it is a combination of factors at play and it is impossible to attribute it to one factor alone, if they choose to do so that is perfectly fine, at least they used the word "estimate"
 

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The relaxation of lockdowns and social distancing would cause an increase of infections. The question would be the proportion of severe cases amongst both groups of vacinnated and unvacinnated. Also the proportions of those vaccinated against the type of vaccine given.
 

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These results do not convince me in their "vaccines saving so many lives" articles. In time maybe but right now the data do not support these claims.

So you have the data, resources, medical knowledge and statistical capability to dispute the findings?
 

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simple math does not require an actuary degree ...

Statistics uses simple math? Can you use one of these stats calculators?

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NarrowBandFtw

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Statistics uses simple math?
depends, complex hypothesis testing? no, not exactly simple math

but a drop in a metric when you know beyond any doubt that said metric has multiple factors influencing it?

yeah pretty simple math to conclude that no single factor is moving the metric, hell no math required at all, just plain common sense
 

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Does viruses become less deadly as they mutate?
It seems like form a evolutionary perspective this would be the case...
The evolution of viruses will favour variants that are able to propagate the best. If a variant causes symptoms and lots of death then the hosts are more likely to be isolated. This will hamper the spread of the variant. If a variant emerges that causes less symptoms (i.e. more hosts that are asymptomatic but still spread the virus) and thus decreases the chance that the host will be isolated then that variant will likely win the evolutionary race to propagate itself.

It looks like that is what we are seeing with the Delta variant vs the Alpha variant. And it is good news.
 

Cosmik Debris

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depends, complex hypothesis testing? no, not exactly simple math

but a drop in a metric when you know beyond any doubt that said metric has multiple factors influencing it?

yeah pretty simple math to conclude that no single factor is moving the metric, hell no math required at all, just plain common sense

You can calculate what you stated? That is my question. Easy to mouth off...
 
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