Vegetarian diet associated with worse health: study

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That's amazing considering that we're finding that almost everything we thought we knew about food and diet is actually wrong.

I'm not sure what 'we' thought about food previously, but my own journey over the last 6 months since I was diagnosed as gluten intolerant has been just that, my own journey with my own conclusions. Feel free to be amazed at my conclusions but rather find out what works for you because yeah, there is no empirical right or wrong.

They're advocacy films. If you want to believe what they're selling you're free to do so. I'm sure they're as unbiased as Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore.

Oh I wouldn't think so. But then I'm the most sceptical and cynical person I know. So I think I know how to read between the lines and glean the information I need.

Again, I believe what works for me. Ethical and moral objections to meat aside, a plant based diet seems to be the one that offers the nutrition that gives me the energy and long term comfort I need when thinking of mine and my families history.

I don't even need to wonder why I can buy a burger cheaper than a head of broccoli to keep away from the meat industry, even though that is surely enough to get anyone thinking?
 

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Oh I wouldn't think so.
It is blindingly obvious from their titles. Reading a synopsis confirms them as advocacy films. That's fine, as long as they don't pretend to be factual and generally applicable, like Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore.

Ethical and moral objections to meat aside
As a former vegetarian I have always felt this to be a ridiculous argument in favour of not eating meat.

I don't even need to wonder why I can buy a burger cheaper than a head of broccoli to keep away from the meat industry, even though that is surely enough to get anyone thinking?
Since I can't get a burger for less than a head of broccoli, unless it is in fact one that contains no patty I can't say it would tell me anything. I don't make judgements based on how much a particular food costs relative to another because it is a meaningless point of comparison. It really shouldn't be enough to get anyone thinking about the relative merits of various foods. It's in fact been shown for instance that more expensive organically grown vegetables are no more nutritious or healthy than industrially grown ones, and that in blind tests even hippies can't tell them apart.

I'm not sure what 'we' thought about food previously
Well some examples are that salt is bad for you, fat is unhealthy, etc. More recent research shows this to be bunkum, but we're still told to cut down on salt in spite this now being known to be potentially dangerous, even fatally so. We still get people advocating consuming as much anti-oxidants as possible, but we now know ingesting more can be harmful.
 

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It is blindingly obvious from their titles. Reading a synopsis confirms them as advocacy films. That's fine, as long as they don't pretend to be factual and generally applicable, like Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore.

Yes, that's fine. Watch them and take from them what you will. Probably wise advice if you want to continue to be a smart arse.


As a former vegetarian I have always felt this to be a ridiculous argument in favour of not eating meat.

Good for you, thankfully your feelings are not obligatory feelings for the rest of us. My daughter would disagree with you but what does she know. Anyway, as it happens, I happen to have no problem killing animals or anything else for food. I have a problem with mass produced chemically induced schyte that's passed off as meat by large companies that think I'm stupid though. Different story.


Since I can't get a burger for less than a head of broccoli, unless it is in fact one that contains no patty I can't say it would tell me anything. I don't make judgements based on how much a particular food costs relative to another because it is a meaningless point of comparison. It really shouldn't be enough to get anyone thinking about the relative merits of various foods. It's in fact been shown for instance that more expensive organically grown vegetables are no more nutritious or healthy than industrially grown ones, and that in blind tests even hippies can't tell them apart.

Lol. I get the feeling that in your haste to have an opinion which conflicts with mine, you have completely missed the point. Hippies ffs, what are you on dude? Don't force your ignorance and stupidity onto me please. If I was concerned with taste I'd be sitting in the Spur right now chowing down a pepper melt hunga buster with chips and onion rings.

But sure, ok, on you go then. Where has this been shown? And really, who gives a schyt? I'm far more interested in the implications to mine and my families health when considering the effects of genetically modified crops or the findings of the China Study on meat and dairy rich diets. Hippies and taste tests? Good grief man.

But back to your point. When adding up a meat patty, a bun, a couple of gherkins, tomato sauce and mustard to R10 for a McDonalds burger compared to at least R15 for a packet of non organic broccoli from Woolies, I have a curious enough brain to wonder how the burger would cost less. But as I say, I'm inquisitive enough to ask these things t least to myself. Seems like you'd rather pretend to be cool. Again, good for you.


Well some examples are that salt is bad for you, fat is unhealthy, etc. More recent research shows this to be bunkum, but we're still told to cut down on salt in spite this now being known to be potentially dangerous, even fatally so. We still get people advocating consuming as much anti-oxidants as possible, but we now know ingesting more can be harmful.

Too much of anything is bad for you? Is that a surprise? But wtf is the salt and fat thing about? Have you read a headline on news24 or something? Care to elaborate on exactly which kind of fat you are talking about. And just what is the recommended daily allowance for salt? And where did you read it and why would you believe it's now ok? Who carried out this research, can you post a url?
 

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Nothing beats a good meaty braai.

Only problem with a braai is that you lose a lot of the most important part of the meat, the fat. So I always make sure to add it back in the form of lots of butter or a fatty sauce.
 

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But sure, ok, on you go then. Where has this been shown? And really, who gives a schyt? I'm far more interested in the implications to mine and my families health when considering the effects of genetically modified crops or the findings of the China Study on meat and dairy rich diets. Hippies and taste tests? Good grief man.
The conspiracy it grows. What Chinese research? Is it one of those Google ads?

But back to your point. When adding up a meat patty, a bun, a couple of gherkins, tomato sauce and mustard to R10 for a McDonalds burger compared to at least R15 for a packet of non organic broccoli from Woolies, I have a curious enough brain to wonder how the burger would cost less. But as I say, I'm inquisitive enough to ask these things t least to myself. Seems like you'd rather pretend to be cool. Again, good for you.
What's it got to do with the price of eggs? Are you one of those morons that equates market price with value?
 

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Natalie Portman: The gorgeous star has been a vegetarian since childhood. She became a vegan in 2009 but discontinued after her pregnancy in 2011 and went back to being a vegetarian.
 

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The conspiracy it grows. What Chinese research? Is it one of those Google ads?

Type 'China Study' straight into google. Go on, I know you are a big enough boy to manage that.

Oh, if you need further instruction what to do when the results are returned, drop me a pm.

What's it got to do with the price of eggs? Are you one of those morons that equates market price with value?

Good grief, I'm left wondering how you manage to find the 'on' switch on your computer never mind how you managed to find your way back to myBB to amass nearly 5,000 posts!!!!
 

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Good grief, I'm left wondering how you manage to find the 'on' switch on your computer never mind how you managed to find your way back to myBB to amass nearly 5,000 posts!!!!
You've still not explained what price has to do with nutritional value.
 

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I suspect its just more difficult to eat a balanced diet with a vegan approach. I'd be surprised if a correctly executed vegan diet is worse than the average. Also:

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Just out of interest (not because I agree or disagree with you), Denise Minger did quite a thorough and comprehensive critique of the China Study. http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/

Thanks, my wife follows the blog but I'll check it out also. As I'm trying to say, there is so much conflicting 'evidence' it's really up to each one of us to find the path they are comfortable walking.
 

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It's easier to have a mainly meat and starch diet.

You have to become too creative to have a vegetarian diet meet your needs. Most people don't have the time and/or creativity for that.

I think the trap most veggies fall in to is that they have a very high carb diet. The science tells us that more meat beats more carbs.
 
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