Verwoerd's grandson will have a seat in Parliament

Nicodeamus

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Same thing. Although that was the case all over the world at that stage, and people were still primitive then. You insinuating that Jacob and Hendrik is/was primitive?
By today’s standard that would be relegated to a small town in the Karoo, by 1940s standards they were mainstream.

It just shows that humans made progress.
 

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Perfect example. How can Zuma and his fellow thieves not realize it's wrong. How could Verwoerd and other racists of the time see it as as acceptable to treat people as they did?
I do believe that JZ knows what he is doing is wrong. Verwoerd was an honest and dedicated ideologue. His type scares me more than JZ who is just a crook.
 

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By today’s standard that would be relegated to a small town in the Karoo, by 1940s standards they were mainstream.

It just shows that humans made progress.
So the people in orania type small towns are primitive and "less intelligent"? You might want to rephrase that before some around here read that.
 

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So the people in orania type small towns are primitive and "less intelligent"? You might want to rephrase that before some around here read that.
The debate on whether or not Apartheid could work was largely settled in the 80s. Reality dictates that the homelands were concentration lands and that the economic forces simply let large amount of blacks migrate to the cities.

There was no way to make it work without violating human rights, which is one of the many reasons that it collapsed.
 
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Yet his ideas were supported by the ideologues of the time. Which makes you wonder, what monumentally stupid ideas don't we take for granted today that are actually harming people?

Statistically speaking, most of us would be supporting Apartheid had it been in place today.
No we would not.
 

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EFF will compare him to his granddad.
The sad reality is, they will use him as leverage to fuel more hatred.
Wynand Johannes Boshoff : *insert well thought out and reasonable question*
Eff: "honorable speaker, I refuse to answer the grandson of apartheid"
Mindless idiots: "Hoooraaaa, tell him! TELL HIM!"
 

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The sad reality is, they will use him as leverage to fuel more hatred.
Wynand Johannes Boshoff : *insert well thought out and reasonable question*
Eff: "honorable speaker, I refuse to answer the grandson of apartheid"
Mindless idiots: "Hoooraaaa, tell him! TELL HIM!"
That would be very unparliamentary and unbecoming of an honourable member.
 

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The sad reality is, they will use him as leverage to fuel more hatred.
Wynand Johannes Boshoff : *insert well thought out and reasonable question*
Eff: "honorable speaker, I refuse to answer the grandson of apartheid"
Mindless idiots: "Hoooraaaa, tell him! TELL HIM!"
This is so spot on, it needs to be quoted again for posterity.
 

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The freedom front are the old Conservative Party. These guys were always pro-Apartheid and Afrikaner Nationalists. They probably haven't changed their views much.
They've reworded their manifesto to make it seem like they've changed, but everyone who's in the club is aware of what the *wink wink* means.



He's the grandson of Verwoerd, and the son of the guy who founded Orania. Even lives there on the weekends. But yeah, he's not racist cos he never said anything racist according to some here...
This is as scary as people supporting EFF.
 

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When judging Verwoerd's actions, one must look at it in the context of the time those actions were taken. It is very simplistic to just say he should have known better.

Fact is that at the time, racial discrimination was the norm throughout the world. In the US they had segregation and Indian reserves and in Australia they had the same thing. Black people in Europe and the East were regarded as abnormalities and were discriminated against. In short, people of colour were regarded as a lower class of human not fit to mix with the rest. The concept of racism did not even exist.

In this context Verwoerd and Malan easily justified separate development with a homeland for each Black tribe as progressive and a way to give Black people a way to maintain their dignity and elect their own leaders.

With hindsight it was clearly a silly idea.
 

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When judging Verwoerd's actions, one must look at it in the context of the time those actions were taken. It is very simplistic to just say he should have known better.

Fact is that at the time, racial discrimination was the norm throughout the world. In the US they had segregation and Indian reserves and in Australia they had the same thing. Black people in Europe and the East were regarded as abnormalities and were discriminated against. In short, people of colour were regarded as a lower class of human not fit to mix with the rest. The concept of racism did not even exist.

In this context Verwoerd and Malan easily justified separate development with a homeland for each Black tribe as progressive and a way to give Black people a way to maintain their dignity and elect their own leaders.

With hindsight it was clearly a silly idea.
It was just a silly idea, wasn't it?
 

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It was just a silly idea, wasn't it?
Yes as long as you do not confuse the concept of apartheid with the consequences of the ANC's armed struggle which led to bombs killing civilians in the street, revenge killings and unrest in the townships and faction fighting between the ANC and the IFP. This obviously led to retaliation by the security forces and activists responsible being arrested by the police.
 

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When judging Verwoerd's actions, one must look at it in the context of the time those actions were taken. It is very simplistic to just say he should have known better.

Fact is that at the time, racial discrimination was the norm throughout the world. In the US they had segregation and Indian reserves and in Australia they had the same thing. Black people in Europe and the East were regarded as abnormalities and were discriminated against. In short, people of colour were regarded as a lower class of human not fit to mix with the rest. The concept of racism did not even exist.

In this context Verwoerd and Malan easily justified separate development with a homeland for each Black tribe as progressive and a way to give Black people a way to maintain their dignity and elect their own leaders.

With hindsight it was clearly a silly idea.
So when looking at the current crime rate of SA many people see it as ok to be dishonest. So we should excuse Jacobs dishonesty?
 

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So when looking at the current crime rate of SA many people see it as ok to be dishonest. So we should excuse Jacobs dishonesty?
I did not say Verwoerd should be excused. I said one must take into account the context of his decisions.

I do not know any people who think it is okay to dishonest. We must be moving in different social circles.

However, it is my opinion that while cunning, Zuma is a very backward person who believed he was the king and that kings were entitled to do what he did . He still believes he did nothing wrong.
 
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