Vodacom keeps track of all the websites you visit – Updated privacy policy

Kayoss

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They have been doing it for years. Even your calls are listened to and SMSes you send can be read if you find yourself in court for a crime you allegedly committed!

Why do you think cellphones sold in SA have Icasa logo on them :crylaugh: :crylaugh: ...How do you think they know Oscar Pistorious visited porn sites on the night he killed Reeva...

Cell C does it, MTN does it, Virgin does it - it is a regulatory requirement to operate as a network provider. All countries do it.
If they arrest you they can send your phone in for analysis. The Cellebrite they use will pick up your browsing history, call logs, SMSs, etc. It'll even recover everything you've deleted off the device and identify which towers your device was connected to.

They can do a 205 and request your call logs from the network provider as this will give all the call logs for that number, so they can see if you made calls with a different device (and that device's IMEI - and all the other sim cards that have been used on that device).

I don't believe they would've pick up that Oscar Pistorius was browsing porn on the night he killed Reeva from the network provider. That will be easily picked up from the Cellebrite.
 

InfidelGastro

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Whoops. So those were probably the two SMS's I recently received were about before I deleted them without without even opening them. I did notice that the subject lines mumbled something about an updated privacy policy but I can't do anything about their policies and I'm not about to read through hours of boring gobbled gook either.
 

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MTN has been keeping track of internet activity since forever, just the other day I asked MTN for a detailed data usage report for a line and all I had to do is fill in a form and they sent it to me after a week, could see URL's and everything. This was on a business account so I doubt they'll do it for everyone.

Still, that just shows you that they do keep track of everything.

Here's proof (excel doc has 26000 lines for the full month):

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Kayoss

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MTN has been keeping track of internet activity since forever, just the other day I asked MTN for a detailed data usage report for a line and all I had to do is fill in a form and they sent it to me after a week, could see URL's and everything. This was on a business account so I doubt they'll do it for everyone.

Still, that just shows you that they do keep track of everything.

Here's proof (excel doc has 26000 lines for the full month):

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That's actually frightening now that I think about it. It seems all too easy for criminals to perform a sim swap with the network providers. They do all the necessary paperwork with fake IDs, signatures, etc. What's to stop them from getting all this detailed info on you?

It's one thing when it's law enforcement requesting this info with a warrant, it's a whole different thing allowing customers to get it. I wonder how much info they can get and how vulnerable that can make you to bank fraud. What bank you use if you visit the site? What email you use if you login to gmail?
 

werny

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That's actually frightening now that I think about it. It seems all too easy for criminals to perform a sim swap with the network providers. They do all the necessary paperwork with fake IDs, signatures, etc. What's to stop them from getting all this detailed info on you?

It's one thing when it's law enforcement requesting this info with a warrant, it's a whole different thing allowing customers to get it. I wonder how much info they can get and how vulnerable that can make you to bank fraud. What bank you use if you visit the site? What email you use if you login to gmail?
Yes, worrying indeed... Especially due to sim-swapping and fraud. Our Business account was hit by fraudulent sim-swaps about a year ago, was 100% an inside job on MTN's side since they did it over a long weekend and only sim-swapped the lines that was inactive over the weekend or didn't have signal, the rest was all fine. At the end of the month our bill was R2.5 million. :sick: Took them 4 months to resolve.
 

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Surely this is not legal?
Technically not, but they do have to keep logs in order to assist law enforcement, etc. (Child porn, illegal trade of guns and drugs, the list goes on).

People always think that when they use a mobile connection their activity is anonymous, well think again.
 

marine1

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Technically not, but they do have to keep logs in order to assist law enforcement, etc. (Child porn, illegal trade of guns and drugs, the list goes on).

People always think that when they use a mobile connection their activity is anonymous, well think again.
So happy I left this company
 

werny

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So happy I left this company
MTN? Why do you say that? I know quite a lot of people working for MTN and they are all decent. Sure MTN has its problems but they'll go out of their way to fix it, unlike Vodacom which can go to hell and die. :twisted:
 

marine1

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MTN? Why do you say that? I know quite a lot of people working for MTN and they are all decent. Sure MTN has its problems but they'll go out of their way to fix it, unlike Vodacom which can go to hell and die. :twisted:
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marine1

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Ah, great, then you probably know why I said they can go to hell and die. :whistling:
I was with Vodacom since they started.Now its run by gangsters and is probably one of the most unethical companies you can deal with.
I had enough after every month fighting about high prices and OOB and their pathetic systems never being able to notify you of bundle depletion. Just had enough
 

R.V

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Will be interesting if ISPs will ever come clean on the real extend of what they log. Merely what websites you visit is just the tip of the iceberg.
 

Praeses

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Will be interesting if ISPs will ever come clean on the real extend of what they log. Merely what websites you visit is just the tip of the iceberg.
Logging more than that would take up way too much storage methinks.
 
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