Vodacom on course for cultural crises and suicide: WirelessG

Paul Hjul said:
^ well I think thats the point - Vodacom are evading going to court, I think WirelessG's lawyers know this
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VC might be playing for time ... and might in the end be found guilty of the accusations made by WirelessG ... but stating now that Vodacom is incompetent and worse than the other networks is taking things way further than is fair/just. All of a sudden people jump on here telling us how bad Vodacom is. That is just nonsense. If Vodacom is truly as bad as claimed then the rest is so bad there are no words to describe just how bad they are. That is my argument. One cannot make wild statements like those made by WirelessG. They should stick to what is at hand here. Maybe VC feels it has good/valid reasons for treating WirelessG they way they did and a judge will have to decide. Maybe VC settles out of court. Who knows. But to paint the whole company as lawless wild west gunslingers is stupid.
 
I get something completely different from this article... I see WirelessG saying they have lost R174M or R7M a month 'cos VC aren't bundling their package. They're complaining that they don't get the very best wholesale deal from VC and that's cost them R20,5M... My take... WiFi should be free Goddamn it! If restaurants and coffee shops and airports and malls want to attract business, they should offer it as a free option. We live in an uncapped age, routers and extenders are cheap... Where's the problem? These guys are claiming losses of nearly R200M for a service I will go to my grave believing should be free, just annoy me. Free the interwebz I say, free the interwebz!
 
jannievanzyl said:
Paul, you are completely wrong. Vodacom had to submit a response by a certain date and did so. I know, I was there.
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This could get interesting ...

Because if the lawyers are getting iffy with each other ...
 
Gordon Gekko

Paul Hjul said:
This could get interesting ...
Because if the lawyers are getting iffy with each other ...
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Lawyers are the carrion specialists of society.
WHATEVER happens they always get their pound of flesh. ( and they make sure to drag out the agony )

In 1937 all Germans loved Hitler
They kept on voting for him ( until they took the vote away in 1943 )
In 1946 everyone wanted to forget his name.

Maybe this will be the story of VC
 
Typical bullying from a large player. Dominate and strangle smaller players. This is what its all about. Should vc found to be guilty, they will just sneaze out the penalty/fines and carry on as if nothing happened.
 
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Vodacom said that the comments from Wireless G are very much wide of the mark. “The matter is proceeding and we’re not going to get drawn into commenting on each stage of the legal process,” said Vodacom.
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Sounds more like Vodacom's spin doctor needs to have the contents of its bottle changed from Smirnoff to extra strong black coffee.
 
jannievanzyl said:
Paul, you are completely wrong. Vodacom had to submit a response by a certain date and did so. I know, I was there.
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The affidavit of Mr Shameel Joosub CEO of Vodacom has not been signed. This means that “The content thereof could at this stage either be amended by him or parts thereof deleted or aspects inserted.”;

So is this statement true?
 
marine1 said:
I really pray this goes to court, time for the public to know who is lying
But I bet this will be settled out of court.
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100% correct. Not going to court. Just the fact( untested) that the ceo submit a statement and not sign it says a lot. That is not a mistake. To many lawyers for a mistake like that.
Vodacom had to respond at a certain date and they did. Notice that they do not say any more. Halve a response is good enough for them. Lawyers follow instructions.
They want to kill of the the competition. This will not be their first victims.
 
whether it is signed is irrelevant, it is whether it has been deposed or attested to under oath :)
 
Paul Hjul said:
whether it is signed is irrelevant, it is whether it has been deposed or attested to under oath :)
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Interesting I never knew that because as I understand it, according to judges rules, in crim law, a statement still has to be signed unless a statement is made under oath in front of a judge.
So basically what's the point of signing a statement in front of a policeman? Why sign anything if you just write a statement and say I know and understand the content of the above decleration and have no objection to taking the prescribed oath and consider it binding on my cosciouns. (sp?)
On my BB ;)
 
Paul Hjul said:
whether it is signed is irrelevant, it is whether it has been deposed or attested to under oath :)
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No.... Has to be signed. He is submitting a affidavit and not testifying.

The person making an affidavit (the deponent) must sign the bottom of each page in the presence of an authorised person, such as a lawyer or Justice of the Peace. On the last page of the affidavit the following details must be set out

the full name of the person making the affidavit, and their signature
whether the affidavit is sworn or affirmed
the day and place the person signs the affidavit, and
the full name and occupation of the authorised person, and their signature.
 
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Its the taking of the prescribed oath that matters - your endorsement is to attest the matter under hand -< as opposed to under seal. So if you are making a sworn statement at the police station and the cops take what you say and write it down you sign under hand and then make the declaration binding on your conscience (attestation), similarly if I take an affidavit that is typed and printed - say a founding affidavit - to the cop shop a commissioner of oaths has me sign it - bring the document under hand for attestation.

If you are sworn to tell the truth you are deposing to a statement, to avoid signing - and endorsing the document under hand for attestation you would need to record what you are saying. In some semi-civilized countries large parts of legal proceedings in civil matters take place using this construct -> depositions.
 
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