# Vote out councillors who steal money, don't deliver services - Ramaphosa on Freedom Day

#### Swa

##### Honorary Master
You do realize that the black, indian and coloured communities grew at the exact same rates statistically. Put the graph in a logarithmic fashion and stop trying to manipulate statistics. Populations don't grow linearly but exponentially you idiot.
It seems you either need glasses or you're one of those 30%ers. The coloured community grew by less than 9x, the Asian just over 9x. The white community is around 4x but what is interesting is that there was a decline from 1985 and then a plateau. The black community grew by over 11x. Guess which one is the biggest drain on the economy without being a net contributor.

#### KSM93

##### Well-Known Member
It seems you either need glasses or you're one of those 30%ers. The coloured community grew by less than 9x, the Asian just over 9x. The white community is around 4x but what is interesting is that there was a decline from 1985 and then a plateau. The black community grew by over 11x. Guess which one is the biggest drain on the economy without being a net contributor.
Another idiot who doesn't understand exponential growth. The black population started on a higher base.

#### ponder

##### Honorary Master
It seems you either need glasses or you're one of those 30%ers.

You are wrong!

#### noxibox

##### Honorary Master
The past 30 years have proven that none of the processes, nor democracy have worked. Perhaps other measures are needed.
Democracy is always flawed.

Amusing how it is suddenly not democracy because you don’t like who wins the elections.

#### KSM93

##### Well-Known Member
It's not?

Exponential growth is a very powerful "force"and also bit non-intuitive and that's why graphs like that one should really be drawn with a logarithmic y-axis. For those interested, the annual growth rates over 105 years using the data and lables in graph are:

 Black: 2.35% p.a. (45 109 881 / 3 956 000)^(1/105)-1 Coloured: 2.16% p.a. (4 897 208 / 517 000)^(1/105)-1 Asian: 2.15% p.a. (1 386 002 / 148 000)^(1/105)-1 White: 1.23% p.a. (4 515 774 / 1 257 000)^(1/105)-1

I'm quoting this post from a different discussion so that you can understand mathematics better. As you can see why your stats are misleading. You're an idiot.

#### KSM93

##### Well-Known Member
It seems you either need glasses or you're one of those 30%ers. The coloured community grew by less than 9x, the Asian just over 9x. The white community is around 4x but what is interesting is that there was a decline from 1985 and then a plateau. The black community grew by over 11x. Guess which one is the biggest drain on the economy without being a net contributor.
Exponential growth is a very powerful "force"and also bit non-intuitive and that's why graphs like that one should really be drawn with a logarithmic y-axis. For those interested, the annual growth rates over 105 years using the data and lables in graph are:

 Black: 2.35% p.a. (45 109 881 / 3 956 000)^(1/105)-1 Coloured: 2.16% p.a. (4 897 208 / 517 000)^(1/105)-1 Asian: 2.15% p.a. (1 386 002 / 148 000)^(1/105)-1 White: 1.23% p.a. (4 515 774 / 1 257 000)^(1/105)-1

A quoted post showing your idiocy, you don't understand mathematics and are stupid.

#### LCBXX

##### Honorary Master
What a strange approach: voting to get rid of people who are committing crimes. Why do we have a justice system when this is what is needed to get rid of ANC cadres?

#### noxibox

##### Honorary Master
South Africa population growth rate is 1.3 % barely replacement level and it has not reached saturation point, and SA is far from overpopulated.
It certainly is overpopulated from the perspective of education level and employment. If the majority of working age adults were educated, skilled and employed, then it certainly would not be overpopulated. South Africa should be a wealthy country. Certainly the idiot white fanatics that previously ruled the country and the twits who kept them in power did massive damage, but that doesn’t excuse the subsequent monumental disaster perpetrated by idiot black fanatics and the twits that keep them in power.

#### noxibox

##### Honorary Master
Exponential growth is a very powerful "force"and also bit non-intuitive and that's why graphs like that one should really be drawn with a logarithmic y-axis. For those interested, the annual growth rates over 105 years using the data and lables in graph are:

 Black: 2.35% p.a. (45 109 881 / 3 956 000)^(1/105)-1 Coloured: 2.16% p.a. (4 897 208 / 517 000)^(1/105)-1 Asian: 2.15% p.a. (1 386 002 / 148 000)^(1/105)-1 White: 1.23% p.a. (4 515 774 / 1 257 000)^(1/105)-1

A quoted post showing your idiocy, you don't understand mathematics and are stupid.
Your percentages prove the point. Exponential growth is exactly why that 2.35% is way too high. Even 2.16% is too high under the circumstances.

#### saturnz

##### Honorary Master
What a strange approach: voting to get rid of people who are committing crimes. Why do we have a justice system when this is what is needed to get rid of ANC cadres?

yup, without accountability you are basically voting out one criminal and another criminal will replace that one, irrespective of which party it is

#### ForceFate

##### Honorary Master
The past 30 years have proven that none of the processes, nor democracy have worked. Perhaps other measures are needed.
What didn't work in '92? It was still the same people that were there 3 years earlier.

#### ForceFate

##### Honorary Master
No matter how much I waste my time typing out any recommendations, neither you nor the ANC will agree with it. So, there is that....
It's a forum where everyone has freedom to dream as much as they wish. Go for it...

/brings popcorn

#### krycor

##### Honorary Master
I keep lmao at stupid people who whine about being powerless.. you supporting the wrong strategy that’s why.

Simple as that.

Why is the ANC still ruling despite obvious issues.. because the majority don’t have an alternative. Sooner you accept that and want to change that.. it will change fast. But nooo swing hard to the right and see where that’s gotten SA with the DA.

lmao.. that’s SA for you.. people would rather bring back apartheid (not talking Da) than find a proper solution which solves it all. That tells me that SA will be this way till people suffer as seen throughout Africa. You hardly hear zim white guys blame race yet here in SA it’s a thing that’s acceptable.. think about that. (The one’s that do aren’t in Zim)

#### grok

##### Honorary Master
Ask not that thou citizens vote out corrupt politicians, ask yourself what happened to the ANC politicians who stole the R500b covid aid fund as identified & highlighted by yourself, abeit in a shocked state.

Where are the arrests, court cases, clawbacks etc? Any news about the law taking on those people at all?

Come on, pawpaw, tell us what you as president has done to rid ourselves of corrupt politicians..

#### KSM93

##### Well-Known Member
It certainly is overpopulated from the perspective of education level and employment. If the majority of working age adults were educated, skilled and employed, then it certainly would not be overpopulated. South Africa should be a wealthy country. Certainly the idiot white fanatics that previously ruled the country and the twits who kept them in power did massive damage, but that doesn’t excuse the subsequent monumental disaster perpetrated by idiot black fanatics and the twits that keep them in power.
I never said they did. But it is still not overpopulated, the problem is poor governance.

#### Swa

##### Honorary Master
Another idiot who doesn't understand exponential growth. The black population started on a higher base.
Exponential growth is a very powerful "force"and also bit non-intuitive and that's why graphs like that one should really be drawn with a logarithmic y-axis. For those interested, the annual growth rates over 105 years using the data and lables in graph are:

 Black: 2.35% p.a. (45 109 881 / 3 956 000)^(1/105)-1 Coloured: 2.16% p.a. (4 897 208 / 517 000)^(1/105)-1 Asian: 2.15% p.a. (1 386 002 / 148 000)^(1/105)-1 White: 1.23% p.a. (4 515 774 / 1 257 000)^(1/105)-1

A quoted post showing your idiocy, you don't understand mathematics and are stupid.
It's you who doesn't understand. Exponential growth is simply a product of a constant growth rate. It can't be more unless the growth rate is more as your OWN statistics show. It doesn't however take into account it's the group that can least afford it.

Careful in showing your own idiocy and 30%er.

#### Swa

##### Honorary Master
I keep lmao at stupid people who whine about being powerless.. you supporting the wrong strategy that’s why.

Simple as that.

Why is the ANC still ruling despite obvious issues.. because the majority don’t have an alternative. Sooner you accept that and want to change that.. it will change fast. But nooo swing hard to the right and see where that’s gotten SA with the DA.

lmao.. that’s SA for you.. people would rather bring back apartheid (not talking Da) than find a proper solution which solves it all. That tells me that SA will be this way till people suffer as seen throughout Africa. You hardly hear zim white guys blame race yet here in SA it’s a thing that’s acceptable.. think about that. (The one’s that do aren’t in Zim)
That is bull. There were 48 parties to choose from in the last election. It's not that they don't have an alternative but that they feel they don't because the system has let them down. The system has let them down because they don't know how to use it. All over Africa this is the case. It also doesn't help when the ANC can use lies such as that apartheid will come back if they are voted against.

#### Bonywasawarrioraway

##### Well-Known Member
Another idiot who doesn't understand exponential growth. The black population started on a higher base.
I don't know about these growth rates, but Its pretty clear to me that you don't understand what exponential means.

So, by your measure, does that make YOU an idiot?

#### BeerIsNotGood...

##### Executive Member
That is bull. There were 48 parties to choose from in the last election. It's not that they don't have an alternative but that they feel they don't because the system has let them down. The system has let them down because they don't know how to use it. All over Africa this is the case. It also doesn't help when the ANC can use lies such as that apartheid will come back if they are voted against.
It's just another attempt by him to sway people to a socialist mindset. He's very transparent..

#### KSM93

##### Well-Known Member
It's you who doesn't understand. Exponential growth is simply a product of a constant growth rate. It can't be more unless the growth rate is more as your OWN statistics show. It doesn't however take into account it's the group that can least afford it.

Careful in showing your own idiocy and 30%er.
Another idiot who doesn't understand mathematics. It is not linear and that graph is propaganda. post the lines on a logarithmic graph and you'll see they are identical. But you're stupid.