VUMA or Open serve?

[Breezeza]

I think I posted this in the wrong forum group.
https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/963205-VUMA-or-Open-serve

 

[PsYTraNc3]

Can I please get your opinions on which Fiber Network provider is better, VUMA or Open serve.

I currently using Hellkom, as I mean Telkom :twisted:, as the fiber line provider but I see now that both the above providers are now in my area.

Thanks in advance
Leo

Openserve = Hellkom so you would be safer going with Vumatel

 

[quovadis]

Openserve = Hellkom so you would be safer going with Vumatel

Maybe if it was a few years ago. I've had both and can say Openserve has been a better experience.

 

[Lupus]

Maybe if it was a few years ago. I've had both and can say Openserve has been a better experience.

Except it seems the ISPs on Openserv charge more?

 

[SmartKit]

Openserve = Hellkom so you would be safer going with Vumatel

Hello darkness, my old friend!

 

[Mr Scratch]

Except it seems the ISPs on Openserv charge more?

Openserve is a more expensive infrastructure provider carrying Telkom's legacy of being trash.

 

[quovadis]

Openserve is a more expensive infrastructure provider carrying Telkom's legacy of being trash.

Actually for me it worked out cheaper, I'm able to run multiple ISPs simultaneously (1x Business Capped with Fixed IP from Axxess, 1x Vox Fatpipe cheapy for browsing etc and a corporate account for access purposes) and I get full throughput without any issues. My home has Vumatel, Metrofibre and Openserve points installed - tried them all and prefer Openserve. I agree my previous DSL was trash however fibre at 200/100 has been fantastic.

 

[flamevector]

On Vumatel for 2 - 3 years now. they have not given me a reason ever to call them about being slow or down what ever. they alerted me to outages before i even knew about them.

 

[Mr Scratch]

Actually for me it worked out cheaper, I'm able to run multiple ISPs simultaneously (1x Business Capped with Fixed IP from Axxess, 1x Vox Fatpipe cheapy for browsing etc and a corporate account for access purposes) and I get full throughput without any issues. My home has Vumatel, Metrofibre and Openserve points installed - tried them all and prefer Openserve. I agree my previous DSL was trash however fibre at 200/100 has been fantastic.

Mind just doing a quick cost breakdown here?

 

[pinball wizard]

Openserve is a more expensive infrastructure provider carrying Telkom's legacy of being trash.

No. It is more expensive in wholesale rates to the ISP, as the openserve network requires that ISP's purchase IPC transit on the network. It's got nothing to do with "legacy of trash". In fact the existence of IPC transit on the network makes it easier to transition from one ISP to another.
It's simply a type of network architecture/methodology.

 

[LCBXX]

I only have fibre on VUMA and cannot complain at all. Support it good and outages are fixed quickly, if they happen at all.

 

[Mr Scratch]

No. It is more expensive in wholesale rates to the ISP

So yes, it is a more expensive infrastructure provider.

as the openserve network requires that ISP's purchase IPC transit on the network.

An artificial requirement with the purpose of making money.

It's got nothing to do with "legacy of trash".

Openserve, which is today what Telkom Wholesale was in 2008, is still piss poor at managing and maintaining their infrastructure, such that they have somehow managed to make congestion possible on fibre. Something previously thought to be impossible due to fibre's near-infinite scalability.

In fact the existence of IPC transit on the network makes it easier to transition from one ISP to another.

You mean their IPConnect product allows clients to have unbundled line and data? Sure, this may be attractive to some but also invites the now archaic practice of ISP-in-a-box offers.

It's simply a type of network architecture/methodology.

Openserve uses PON, which can be considered the cause of their under-capacity network. So yes, it's a type of network architecture that is inferior to AON used by Vumatel.

 

[quovadis]

Mind just doing a quick cost breakdown here?

To copy and paste my old calcs for when I had 100/50 Openserve =

100/50 Fibre with 50GB data and fixed IP - R844
800GB Data - R331
= R1175 incl VAT

 

[Mr Scratch]

To copy and paste my old calcs for when I had 100/50 Openserve =

100/50 Fibre with 50GB data and fixed IP - R844
800GB Data - R331
= R1175 incl VAT

Oh so this only works because of a rare promotional account from Vox... Thanks for taking the time!

What service do you have now?

 

[quovadis]

An artificial requirement with the purpose of making money.

No, a nationwide network fully maintained for the cost of the data as opposed to fixed cost models of others.

Openserve, which is today what Telkom Wholesale was in 2008, is still piss poor at managing and maintaining their infrastructure, such that they have somehow managed to make congestion possible on fibre. Something previously thought to be impossible due to fibre's near-infinite scalability.

Openserves Fibre network is usually blamed for ISPs lack of IPC capacity but generally their Fibre network is pretty damn good. Fibre does not have near-infinite scalability.

Openserve uses PON, which can be considered the cause of their under-capacity network. So yes, it's a type of network architecture that is inferior to AON used by Vumatel.

Both have their use cases and in all cases contention ratios play a part. PON and AON both have many pros and cons. I wouldn’t call one superior over the other unless full details of similar deployments are known and quantified.

 

[quovadis]

Oh so this only works because of a rare promotional account from Vox... Thanks for taking the time!

What service do you have now?

200/100 - the upload speed makes a huge difference in my life