Vumacam footage is being used in insurance claim investigations

[Willie Trombone]

And quite easy to secure if you have a vaguely competent networking department. Most the Hikvision vulnerabilities seem to be from very outdated firmware, on public IPs and default settings (but then you can say that for SO much connected hardware); 3 things I'd expect to be secured by someone specializing in IP CCTV.

Actually Hikvisions major issue is their lacklustre performance in fixing vulnerabilities even after being alerted.
Can't think of too many well known firms who's products have scored a perfect 10 CVE

 

[genetic]

You misunderstand.
IP cameras and NVRs are effectively computers with operating systems that can be used to access other systems.

Besides, even Vumacam's CEO is a Crook.

What's your point? The Vumacam network is a success. You still haven't given me examples where the Vumacam network has fallen into the "wrong hands". If it has a network vulnerability, what specific vulnerability does it suffer from?

We have an ANPR and thermal camera setup in our suburb run buy our local neighbourhood watch, which is connected to directly to our locals SAPS too. It has been a massive success in catching and tracking crooks.

 

[elvis_presley]

Actually Hikvisions major issue is their lacklustre performance in fixing vulnerabilities even after being alerted.
Can't think of too many well known firms who's products have scored a perfect 10 CVE

You missed my point. When you build any IOT network, assume everything has a million 10 CVE's every day, and build around that - because every well known company/product at some point seems to have a really bad vulnerability. It's all part of the Zero-Trust philisophy that's emerging in network security.

 

[elvis_presley]

What's your point? The Vumacam network is a success. You still haven't given me examples where the Vumacam network has fallen into the "wrong hands". If it has a network vulnerability, what specific vulnerability does it suffer from?

Systems like this generally suffer more from human vulnerabilities rather than inherent technology vulnerabilities. That'll always be a problem, and impossible to totally fix, but you can't abandon projects like this because of edge cases that something might go wrong, because as you allude to, the positive effects vastly outweigh the negatives.

 

[Willie Trombone]

What's your point? The Vumacam network is a success. You still haven't given me examples where the Vumacam network has fallen into the "wrong hands". If it has a network vulnerability, what specific vulnerability does it suffer from?

We have an ANPR and thermal camera setup in our suburb run buy our local neighbourhood watch, which is connected to directly to our locals SAPS too. It has been a massive success in catching and tracking crooks.

Why are you asking for examples? You still haven't quoted where I said it has fallen into the wrong hands.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Systems like this generally suffer more from human vulnerabilities rather than inherent technology vulnerabilities. That'll always be a problem, and impossible to totally fix, but you can't abandon projects like this because of edge cases that something might go wrong, because as you allude to, the positive effects vastly outweigh the negatives.

Like trusting another third party (insurance companies) with this data

 

[elvis_presley]

Like trusting another third party (insurance companies) with this data

Well, I trust insurance companies with a LOT more personal data, and it's possible that that would get leaked, it'd be pretty stupid if I said we should shut down all the insurance companies because of the possibility this data could make it in to the wrong hands.

 

[genetic]

Why are you asking for examples? You still haven't quoted where I said it has fallen into the wrong hands.

This data will never end up in the wrong hands.

My point being that the Vumacam network has been a success. I'm not arguing with you - I completely understand that their may be security risks, but it's public CCTV, and isn't much risk to privacy concerns.

You can access 1000's of cameras on SA's highway network anyway;

South Africa Home | i-TRAFFIC

511 is a free traveler information service. Use the 511 services to plan your commute, receive traffic and transit reports and more!

www.i-traffic.co.za

 

[elvis_presley]

You can access 1000's of cameras on SA's highway network anyway;

South Africa Home | i-TRAFFIC

511 is a free traveler information service. Use the 511 services to plan your commute, receive traffic and transit reports and more!

www.i-traffic.co.za

I think you just proved his point - we have public traffic cams and car theft is rampant in this country. HA!

 

[genetic]

I think you just proved his point - we have public traffic cams and car theft is rampant in this country. HA!

The highway traffic network CCTV system is designed for traffic flow management and quick emergency response. It's also used to display road hazards messages on the VMS display network.

https://twitter.com/CapeTownFreeway?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Road Network| Transport Networks & Infrastructure| TCT

With Cape Town's road network compromising of over 11 000 km's it's important that the road network is properly managed and run by the city, ensuring roads are correctly maintened

www.tct.gov.za

 

[Willie Trombone]

Well, I trust insurance companies with a LOT more personal data, and it's possible that that would get leaked, it'd be pretty stupid if I said we should shut down all the insurance companies because of the possibility this data could make it in to the wrong hands.

I don't trust them, these companies treat your data like their personal marketing commodity.
I don't trust any monopoly which is what the vumacam group are becoming. Only reason they have my data is because it's the lesser of two evils. I need insurance

 

[supersunbird]

Nope. Never seen them here in CPT.

The only extensive CCTV camera network is run by the City of Cape Town themselves.

Cape Town to expand its CCTV camera system

The City of Cape Town’s Strategic Surveillance Unit has published the crime statistics captured by its CCTV cameras in the first half of 2020.

businesstech.co.za

There is Thors answer then, CT is not JHB.

 

[elvis_presley]

I don't trust them, these companies treat your data like their personal marketing commodity.
I don't trust any monopoly which is what the vumacam group are becoming. Only reason they have my data is because it's the lesser of two evils. I need insurance

OK, that's a typical attitude, it's fine when it benefits you - so if you have an insurance claim and they said they needed the CCTV footage, then you'd probably be OK with it. Until then you're taking a page from the anti-vaxxer playbook - I don't have any proof, but there's a theoretical possibility that it could be bad.

 

[yebocan]

This thing is serious man!!! Especially in Cape Town. I'm from Durban and we can throw a whole bin bag of trash on the road with fokol consequences! We were driving in CT and threw our stompies out the window! Weee wooh wee woh these foken cops pulled us over and gave us a R500 fine!!! WTF????

Welcome to Cape Town, Enjoy the party...but lets not burn down the City.

 

[yebocan]

Nope. Never seen them here in CPT.

The only extensive CCTV camera network is run by the City of Cape Town themselves.

Cape Town to expand its CCTV camera system

The City of Cape Town’s Strategic Surveillance Unit has published the crime statistics captured by its CCTV cameras in the first half of 2020.

businesstech.co.za

...I am sure they will welcome any additional "eyes" .... - eyes everywhere is their aim...

City of Cape Town’s R500k drones stuck in limbo

The City of Cape Town is sitting on 15 drones it purchased last year, waiting for licences from the Civil Aviation Authority

www.iol.co.za

 

[SilverCode]

I trust insurance companies probably as much as they trust me. If they can get access to footage to disprove a claim, can I get access to the footage to prove the claim? Or do only paying companies get that privilage and I have to fight in court to get access to the footage either from the insurance or Vumacam?

 

[genetic]

I trust insurance companies probably as much as they trust me. If they can get access to footage to disprove a claim, can I get access to the footage to prove the claim? Or do only paying companies get that privilage and I have to fight in court to get access to the footage either from the insurance or Vumacam?

Or maybe just ask Vumacam for the footage? Same as asking a store for their CCTV footage if you had an incident.

 

[ProfA]

Good.

Might result in lower premiums for the rest of us if more fraudsters get caught out.

Insurance premiums are not designed to ever lower. Its a for profit business. No matter what.

 

[genetic]

Insurance premiums are not designed to ever lower. Its a for profit business. No matter what.

Completely agreed, and being a profit orientated business - fraudulent claims cost insurance companies millions which you indirectly pay. You're paying for someone else's fraudulent claim.

 

[ProfA]

Completely agreed, and being a profit orientated business - fraudulent claims cost insurance companies millions which you indirectly pay. You're paying for someone else's fraudulent claim.

Agreed. But even without those fraudulent claims, i guarantee your premiums would still increase. Perhaps a little smaller increase, but an increase nonetheless.