Vumacam footage is being used in insurance claim investigations

[Iwojima]

This thing is serious man!!! Especially in Cape Town. I'm from Durban and we can throw a whole bin bag of trash on the road with fokol consequences! We were driving in CT and threw our stompies out the window! Weee wooh wee woh these foken cops pulled us over and gave us a R500 fine!!! WTF????

Good. Should have lopped your cock off too while they were at it to ensure you don't breed.

 

[Unreal]

Minority Report here we come

 

[elvis_presley]

I trust insurance companies probably as much as they trust me. If they can get access to footage to disprove a claim, can I get access to the footage to prove the claim? Or do only paying companies get that privilage and I have to fight in court to get access to the footage either from the insurance or Vumacam?

You usually can - I'm involved in my neighborhood security initiative, and they have given people cctv dumps a number of times, if it's a public area for a genuine cause, they're usually more than happy to help.

A while ago we had an incident at my place of work, and the CCTV footage we supplied the insurance company ensured we got paid out the full amount very quickly - so this does work both ways.

 

[elvis_presley]

Insurance premiums are not designed to ever lower. Its a for profit business. No matter what.

Up to a point, yes - but on the other hand it's a competitive market, and I've got my premium to come down quite a few times by accepting a "FREE QUOTE!!!" offer every few years and telling my broker XYZ is cheaper, make a plan. I have no intention of moving to save a few %, but you have to keep them honest!

 

[genetic]

You usually can - I'm involved in my neighborhood security initiative, and they have given people cctv dumps a number of times, if it's a public area for a genuine cause, they're usually more than happy to help.

A while ago we had an incident at my place of work, and the CCTV footage we supplied the insurance company ensured we got paid out the full amount very quickly - so this does work both ways.

This. I had my cellphone stolen at Emperors Palace Casino a few years back. I went to security and they gladly went through the CCTV footage with me, we saw the perp grab my phone off a slot machine and watched him leave into a taxi in the parking lot. They even copied the footage over to my USB drive... and that's a casino who are normally very stringent on what they allow on their own private premises.

That's the reason CCTV is there. Most places will gladly provide their CCTV footage if it aids in a criminal case.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

This data will never end up in the wrong hands.

My thoughts exactly, if Vuma is selling it to private security companies who can then re-sell to anyone the like, then its just a case of paying for it.
Just like the recent case of a detective being tracked through his phone and murdered, its only a matter of time before the same happens with Vuma.

 

[Willie Trombone]

You missed my point. When you build any IOT network, assume everything has a million 10 CVE's every day, and build around that - because every well known company/product at some point seems to have a really bad vulnerability. It's all part of the Zero-Trust philisophy that's emerging in network security.

And my point is people blindly assume this has been done.

 

[Willie Trombone]

OK, that's a typical attitude, it's fine when it benefits you - so if you have an insurance claim and they said they needed the CCTV footage, then you'd probably be OK with it. Until then you're taking a page from the anti-vaxxer playbook - I don't have any proof, but there's a theoretical possibility that it could be bad.

No, you completely missed my point. I never said "it's fine". I said it is a necessary evil - and to be clear, I was referring to insurance companies having and consuming my data. Let me ask you - do you have medical aid? Are you happy with the state of the medical insurance industry in SA?

 

[Willie Trombone]

Or maybe just ask Vumacam for the footage? Same as asking a store for their CCTV footage if you had an incident.

If you believe this would work then the system is even more borked.
If you need access, you'll likely have to jump through legal hoops for it including getting a court order.
Vumacam hold the cards and your insurance company is potentially their client.

 

[genetic]

If you believe this would work then the system is even more borked.
If you need access, you'll likely have to jump through legal hoops for it including getting a court order.
Vumacam hold the cards and your insurance company is potentially their client.

Why would they not release the footage?

It's street CCTV - not state secrets. They already share the feed with a number of companies.

 

[chrisc]

A lady was robbed at a local service station. She went to ask them to see the recording, and was fobbed off

One call to BP, who run the garage and a lady from BP met her at the garage the following day and went through the footage then and there, spotted the incident and copied it onto a USB drive for her

The SAPS recognised the robber as one of their frequent criminals

 

[Temujin]

I trust insurance companies probably as much as they trust me. If they can get access to footage to disprove a claim, can I get access to the footage to prove the claim? Or do only paying companies get that privilage and I have to fight in court to get access to the footage either from the insurance or Vumacam?

Yes... but having dealt with obtaining footage personally, they don't just hand stuff over to anyone willy nilly like, you need case numbers etc. Ie, don't waste their time with 'I think my neighbor cut my rose off', if its serious they will assist you

 

[Willie Trombone]

Why would they not release the footage?

It's street CCTV - not state secrets. They already share the feed with a number of companies.

From their website:
However, Croock says: “All data captured is protected and stored in line with international best practices and POPI regulation, and is only ever provided to relevant law enforcement or security companies when a case number or court order is supplied.”

So the question is - has that changed now that insurance companies want in?
And are you honestly saying that insurance companies are requesting footage with court order in hand?
So who exactly gets to use or see this data and can anyone do it without a court order? What exactly is the data they are referring to?

 

[genetic]

So the question is - has that changed now that insurance companies want in?
And are you honestly saying that insurance companies are requesting footage with court order in hand?
So who exactly gets to use or see this data and can anyone do it without a court order? What exactly is the data they are referring to?

CCTV footage! Vuma's cameras don't collect your address, ID number and blood sample. It's just CCTV footage of traffic junctions.

Also, you don't need a court order - as you quoted, a case number is good enough.

What is your problem or concern? It's public CCTV. There are millions of CCTV cameras everywhere.

They are not accessing your personal pornhub search queries.

 

[Aghori]

CCTV footage! Vuma's cameras don't collect your address, ID number and blood sample. It's just CCTV footage of traffic junctions.

Also, you don't need a court order - as you quoted, a case number is good enough.

What is your problem or concern? It's public CCTV. There are millions of CCTV cameras everywhere.

They are not accessing your personal pornhub search queries.

Who even uses pornhub nowadays? We go to naaibuddies.co.za

 

[Willie Trombone]

CCTV footage! Vuma's cameras don't collect your address, ID number and blood sample. It's just CCTV footage of traffic junctions.

Also, you don't need a court order - as you quoted, a case number is good enough.

What is your problem or concern? It's public CCTV. There are millions of CCTV cameras everywhere.

They are not accessing your personal pornhub search queries.

Dude, it's data, whatever you call it LMAO. Stop asking me what the problem is when I posted the official stance from Vumacam on it.
Or are you expecting data to mean something else?

 

[genetic]

Dude, it's data, whatever you call it LMAO. Stop asking me what the problem is when I posted the official stance from Vumacam on it.
Or are you expecting data to mean something else?

No, I just don't see the issue, as it's not personal data.

Do you have problem with all CCTV cameras?

 

[Willie Trombone]

No, I just don't see the issue, as it's not personal data.

Do you have problem with all CCTV cameras?

What exactly are you referring to. Please quote something.
And no, I'm not discussing whether you see the issue or not. I think we both agree you don't.

 

[genetic]

What exactly are you referring to. Please quote something.

Whatever man.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Whatever man.

Shup!