Vuvuzela is ruining the world cup

[SpellJammer]

I was responding to the video, BTW - I don't think that it works, that is no proof.
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But there is actual commentary of the France vs Uruguay match with the before and after effect???

 

[BRIAN_P]

Do you really think it's only the 'racist' Europeans who are angry about the noise ruining the World Cup, What about the people of Asia, Oceania and the Americas?

Why not ask some other Africans what they think of this constant unholy din?

http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=123575

 

[SpellJammer]

Do you really think it's only the 'racist' Europeans who are angry about the noise ruining the World Cup, What about the people of Asia, Oceania and the Americas?

Why not ask some other Africans what they think of this constant unholy din?

http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=123575

Where did I say that only Europeans find it offensive? I knew the race card would surface sooner or later....Your link btw shows some posters against it and some for it. So what does one do in this scenario?

BTW to clear up any future confusion, referring to Europeans in a football debate has very specific relevance since their leagues are the most watched and followed in world football as well as their fans being the most closely followed and impersonated. If ever you enter a footie thread again and think about playing the race card on seeing the word European, please think twice before doing so. I assure you that I am not a subscriber or fan of the Malema school of thought.

 

[BRIAN_P]

How evil is the vuvuzela in comparison to the vulgar songs heard across the terraces of Europe? This excludes the racist chants or why Fifa is forced to do awareness campaigns for adults along these lines to teach Europeans manners and common courtesy towards their fellow human beings. I mean monkey chants are part of European culture. Why should we be forced to abandon our South African football identity? What is the the point of hosting the World Cup in Africa if you are trying to give it a European feel? Can we tell English fans to stop chanting or hurling abuse at other fans because we find it irritating and inconsiderate or prohibit them from taking their airhorns to matches? Broadcasters can block the frequency of the vuvuzela out. Why cant they compromise on this?

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[SpellJammer]

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What exactly do you appear to be confused about? I take it you watch English, Italian or Spanish football? If you do the above would make perfect sense to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-iRLmaZf4A

Not great huh...So why should we be forced to give up our harmless vuvuzela. Do you recall Spains supporters reactions at being knocked out of the 2002 world cup?

 

[BRIAN_P]

Your link btw shows some posters against it and some for it. So what does one do in this scenario?.

It shows some people saying in jest that they should blow more vuvuzelas to annoy the Europeans and others who feel that the cheers and singing of their countries fans were drowned out by the awful noise, it's hardly partly the balanced view you wish it to be, why don't you sign up and ask your African bros what they really think about it, the jury certainly isn't out on every other continents opinion of the vuvuzelas and their impact on the World Cup so far.

 

[SpellJammer]

It shows some people saying in jest that they should blow more vuvuzelas to annoy the Europeans and others who feel that the cheers and singing of their countries fans were drowned out by the awful noise, it's hardly partly the balanced view you wish it to be, why don't you sign up and ask your African bros what they really think about it, the jury certainly isn't out on every other continents opinion of the vuvuzelas and their impact on the World Cup so far.

Aaah geeez. Whats with the racial stereotyping??? Why do you assume that i am "African"? I have the sinking feeling that your introduction to this thread means almost certain thread death by way of entropy.

 

[BRIAN_P]

What exactly do you appear to be confused about? I take it you watch English, Italian or Spanish football? If you do the above would make perfect sense to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-iRLmaZf4A

Not great huh...So why should we be forced to give up our harmless vuvuzela. Do you recall Spains supporters reactions at being knocked out of the 2002 world cup?

So you think that racism is confined only to Europe and (white) Europeans? Take a good hard look at some of the European teams competing in the World Cup bro. If European fans did nothing but fill every single game with racist chanting that drowned out every other sound for every single game of the World Cup then I'd be happy to see all Europeans banned from World Cup matches.

All the world wants is a happy compromise, allowing the South Africans to celebrate with their harmless, but deeply annoying and intrusive, vuvuzela horns at their own games without drowning out the sound of all the other nations supporters in all the other games and thus ruining the whole competition.

 

[BRIAN_P]

Aaah geeez. Whats with the racial stereotyping??? Why do you assume that i am "African"? I have the sinking feeling that your introduction to this thread means almost certain thread death by way of entropy.

Screw you troll, I'm out of here.

STOP THE GODDAMN DRONE PLEASE

WORST WORLD CUP EVER

 

[midrange]

Christ, the incessant whinging about the vuvuselas is infinitely more annoying than they are.

WORST WORLD CUP EVER

Get fukced, pal.

 

[SpellJammer]

Screw you troll, I'm out of here.

STOP THE GODDAMN DRONE PLEASE

WORST WORLD CUP EVER

Yes yes, I'll be sure to arm my entire family with one just for your pleasure...The footie pretenders always shine through. Anybody willing to refrain from watching a footie match because of a vuvuzela speaks volumes about their passion for the beautiful game. What a patriotic bloke you are...

 

[smokey]

Atleast this bloke from Ghanaweb is honest:

I am not a fan of the vuvuzella but if the Europeans hate, then let's keep it.

Epic!

 

[SpellJammer]

So you think that racism is confined only to Europe and (white) Europeans? Take a good hard look at some of the European teams competing in the World Cup bro. If European fans did nothing but fill every single game with racist chanting that drowned out every other sound for every single game of the World Cup then I'd be happy to see all Europeans banned from World Cup matches.

NO. I am saying that this was part of European football culture for a very very long time and still is as the video will show you so who are they to dictate normal behaviour to us? This is what I am saying. Racist banners and chants are not enjoyable for many people yet it has been forced onto them as spectators of these various leagues. Stop fixating on the vuvuzela. This is not the issue for me, as stated earlier..

 

[sincerious]

FIFA- BAN THE ANNOYING VUVUZELA (HORN) FROM THE SOUTH AFRICA WORLD CUP !

quite interesting...

approx 24 hours ago http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIFA-...M-THE-SOUTH-AFRICA-WORLD-CUP-/124891457531066 had approx 80,000 members/people who "liked" it.
about an hour ago there were 167,042
a few minutes ago there were 169,023.

one of many valid comments:

These South Africans really do seem to believe that this is there World Cup for their enjoyment only and everyone else can F**k off, how incredibly selfish, narrow minded and quite frankly childish but of course FIFA will never admit to such a catastrophic shambles, they don't want to offend a few South Africans but it...'s perfectly ok to offend the rest of the world and their culture it would seem, I'm sorry but am I missing something here.??

for the record, i hate vuvuzelas! the sound completely drowned out and spoilt the opening, especially for those of us who wanted to hear the SA anthem being sung by such a large crowd. (would've been awesome - i am sure many, many tourists know the words.)

to all sensible mybb members, please continue moaning, whining, whinging and calling for the ban!

 

[sincerious]

btw, regarding www.banvuvuzela.com

i was keeping an eye on the votes the night before last, last night and yesterday, and noticed the following:

Votes To Ban = over 50,000 when i first visited the site on 13/6/2010 (late afternoon)
Votes To Ban 74,381 Votes To Keep 8,303 @ approx 10pm on 13/6/2010
Votes To Ban 74,500 Votes To Keep 8,372 @ approx 1am yesterday 14/6

some time thereafter, possibly between 2am and 6am on 14/6, some fool started spamming the site, increasing the VOTES TO KEEP as follows:

Votes To Ban 74,674 Votes To Keep 12,720 @ approx 3am yesterday 14/6
Votes To Ban 74,692 Votes To Keep 16,125 @ approx 4.30am yesterday 14/6.

later, the votes to keep increased to over 40,000 and the names used by the so-called voters were gibberish, and all in caps: PLMOKNIJBUHVYGC, QAZWSXEDCRFVTGB, etc.

obviously, someone in favour of keeping the vuvuzela has tried to rig the poll (and made his name tottie) and not the other way around.

Present date & time: 15/6/2010, 03h49
Votes To Ban = 74,893
Votes To Keep = 8,372
Message on site at present: "Voting station is temporarily closed due to excessive traffic! Going LIVE again on 15 June 2010."

and before anyone says anything about it, i am aware of the fact this poll may not hold much water as far as fifa/whoever is concerned, but the results will be interesting nonetheless. well... to me, at least

 

[Jola]

btw, regarding www.banvuvuzela.com

later, the votes to keep increased to over 40,000 and the names used by the so-called voters were gibberish, and all in caps: PLMOKNIJBUHVYGC, QAZWSXEDCRFVTGB, etc.

obviously, someone in favour of keeping the vuvuzela has tried to rig the poll (and made his name tottie) and not the other way around.

Hmmm ...

 

[Jonny Two Shoes]

I'm afraid you have missed the proverbial boat! I am not defending the vuvuzela. I m contesting the fact that we are not Europenas etc, we are South Africans and as such we should not be forced to conform to what others deem acceptable in terms of fan participation at a football match when this forms part of our local fan culture. Something else that ruffles my feathers tremendously are the arm chair critics who are only SA football fans of late, yet they attempt to be authorities on the subject of South African football fan culture and are condescending towards the ardent local football supporters who actually know what the **** they are talking about. That is what I am defending, not a bleeding vuvuzela. Of course people who have never been part of this fan culture wouldn't understand this to begin with, hence the tremendous frustration it generally causes them. One can equate this to a stiff upper lip type attempting to tell a football regular not to chant loud or be so vulgar. We just spent 10 billion euros on a big party for the whole world guy!

The least they and you could do is let us have our ****ing vuvuzelas as part of our fan culture.

OK man. If you enjoy it then so be it - have a party with it. It isn't part of my culture and I will not allow it to be part of my culture because I cannot find any merit in the way it is being used whatsoever. You know back in the day if these things were used in schools to support teams it would also be sourly looked upon. Does anyone know if school kids bring these things to their schools these days and go ape with them during matches?

Armchair critics? Come on guy how many people watch the soccer from home? Can they not support who they like and enjoy the game? WTF does commenting on the dislike of that constant drone have anything to do with anything else. I happen to realise it has been part of African soccer for a long time and at first it didn't really bother me because I never really watched African soccer but now that I am exposed to it every match I watch I can see how stupid it really is.

Come to think of it I wonder if part of the reason I never got into African soccer was because as I am flipping through channels I get to this one and all I hear is BAAAAABHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAaaaaaAAAA. So I change channel lol.

 

[Fazda]

OK man. If you enjoy it then so be it - have a party with it. It isn't part of my culture and I will not allow it to be part of my culture because I cannot find any merit in the way it is being used whatsoever. You know back in the day if these things were used in schools to support teams it would also be sourly looked upon. Does anyone know if school kids bring these things to their schools these days and go ape with them during matches?

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I live half way between two Primary schools...a predominantly white one and a predominantly Indian one, and I can tell you that the kids ALL blow vuvuzelas at sports occasions.

Just because you didn't know what a vuvuzela was when you were at school doesn't mean that the kids these days don't use them.

I also had a bus load of Afrikaans high school kids behind me at a Stop/Go on the N2 last week, and EVERY SINGLE kid had a vuvuzela and was blowing it to his heart's content.

Get used to it or shrivel up and die.

 

[Jonny Two Shoes]

I live half way between two Primary schools...a predominantly white one and a predominantly Indian one, and I can tell you that the kids ALL blow vuvuzelas at sports occasions.

Just because you didn't know what a vuvuzela was when you were at school doesn't mean that the kids these days don't use them.

I also had a bus load of Afrikaans high school kids behind me at a Stop/Go on the N2 last week, and EVERY SINGLE kid had a vuvuzela and was blowing it to his heart's content.

Get used to it or shrivel up and die.

Cool bru, I will have no choice but to get used to it. Just like I have been forced to get used to all the other mindless drivel the masses tend to spew out wrt to everything cultural including music and cinema/entertainment 'twas only 8 years ago when I was in school and didn't see a single vuvuzela and I'm sure my Principal would have had a field day with me had I brought one to our rugby.

 

[Fazda]

Cool bru, I will have no choice but to get used to it. Just like I have been forced to get used to all the other mindless drivel the masses tend to spew out wrt to everything cultural including music and cinema/entertainment 'twas only 8 years ago when I was in school and didn't see a single vuvuzela and I'm sure my Principal would have had a field day with me had I brought one to our rugby.

Yup and I have been teaching since 1976, and quite a few changes have happened over the past 34 years....accept them or die!