- Oct 18, 2010
If the state do bring up the allegation again that he was poisoned then surely his wife by his wife will sue the state for lying?
Show some respect Comrade, you are putting Excalibur in an awkward position, it's frowned upon to ask such things about elders where we come from, how uBaba satisfies his wives is uBaba's business, whether bodyguards lend a helping hand or not is none of our business.You seem to know him well. How does he find time & energy to bang all his wives without exacerbating his "already dire health" ?
It basically comes down to observation and whether a medical practitioner is necessary for diagnosis. It is a interpretation without professional reasoning.Why is this puzzling and no one knows what it means? Does layman mean medical specialist these days?
There is no ZK Moteni registered with the hpcsa, there is however a ZK Motene,
This is a poem in tribute to Nelson Mandela by Dr Zakes Kagiso Motene, medical doctor at the South African Military Health Service and author of The Journey, which he read at the Nelson Mandela Centre of Memory on Saturday, 1 February 2014.www.nelsonmandela.org
A shower should sort that out for him.That is true, if he's compelled to reveal it won't be for the man on the street's knowledge. However Zuma's medical woes are well-known, he's no spring chicken either. The whole court thing adds anxiety and exacerbates his already dire health.
But Zuma is not a child (by age) and his mom never wrote it and the court is not a school so they were..It basically comes down to observation and whether a medical practitioner is necessary for diagnosis. It is a interpretation without professional reasoning.
It like a child's mom determining whether the child is too sick for attending school for example.
It seems to be generally well-received by the Twitter peeps,
ignoring parody users.
The sick note is in doubt, hence Jacob Zuma is being compelled. The Daily Maverick has a good article on today's event,Why and who would expect that to meet the requirements of a court when an illness is so dire? So they were..
Former president Zuma’s ‘sick note’ results in court issuing warrant for his arrest
The article is possibly alluding to why the date on the sick note was changed. Zuma's legal counsel is wasting the court's time and they should be by now honestly reported to the council and reprimanded by the court.By Desiree Erasmus• 4 February 2020
Former South African President Jacob Zuma during his fourth day of testimony at the Commission of Inquiry into Allegations of State Capture, Johannesburg, South Africa, 19 July 2019. (Photo: Mike Hutchings/EPA-EFE)
What is best described as a case of poor planning by the defence team resulted in their client being issued with a warrant of arrest, which will be stayed until the next appearance on 6 May 2020 where a credible explanation is expected to be given.
It should have been among the most irrelevant court appearances in the ongoing saga involving fraud and corruption charges against former president Jacob Zuma, but his defence managed to turn a simple adjournment into an hour of debate over a “so-called medical certificate” bearing the stamp of the South African National Defence Force’s One Military Hospital.
Zuma was not present and the medical “sick note” his defence attorney Daniel Mantsha handed to the court provided Justice Dhaya Pillay and prosecutor Advocate Billy Downer SC with little reason to believe the validity of the certificate. Furthermore, Mantsha provided no medical witnesses to speak to the note, or supporting documentation.
To compound matters, Mantsha had ignored correspondence sent to his office on 16 January 2020 by the National Prosecuting Authority asking for medical evidence speaking to the purported illness of Zuma. He had informed the NPA the day before that Zuma would be out of the country seeking medical attention on the hearing date.
The actual “sick note” presented by Mantsha provided no supporting documentation on who the attending doctor was, simply calling him “ZK Motene”. Alongside the purported illness not disclosed to the court was a “layman’s diagnosis”.
A call by Daily Maverick to One Military Hospital’s human resources department confirmed that a Dr ZK Motene worked for the Presidential Medical Unit.
Pillay went at length to try to diagnose the medical certificate while Mantsha, who appeared to know very little about it, insisted it must be accepted because it had “an original stamp” from the hospital.
He also told the court that the health of a former president “is a matter of national security and a matter of our armed services”, followed by what can be referenced as a “third force” jibe.
“It is absurd for the state to doubt the admissibility of a medical note by our military unless the prosecution team does not represent the same state [in which] this military resides,” said Mantsha.
He said Dr Motene was with Zuma in the yet to be disclosed jurisdiction.
“This quest for warrant of arrest is spiteful and vindictive and persecution of Mr Zuma,” said Mantsha.
He said if the court issued the warrant “the people will ask what kind of courts are these where there is no sensitivity”, adding that the public knew Zuma was “an elderly man seeking medical treatment”.
Advocate Billy Downer SC, acting for the state, dismissed the notion that the court was being vindictive.
Instead he told the court that it was “extraordinarily uncollegial to leave unanswered pertinent invitations from the state, in good faith, to be able to assist the court with medical evidence to explain his absence from court today”. He called the note a “so-called medical certificate”, adding that there was no supporting evidence to add credibility.
“The state does not consent to its admission. It remains hearsay evidence, the witness is not before court, there is no evidential weight, it proves nothing; moreover it raises many more questions than it answers. Who is the doctor, where does he come from, what is the so-called illness, why is it a layman’s diagnosis?
“These are the questions I want you to put to the doctor. We should not have reached this stage quibbling about the terms of an inadmissible medical certificate with an added desperate application [by Mantsha] that the matter should be postponed to clear up these issues.”
“We [the court] don’t know he is sick. We’ve heard reports in the media,” said Downer.