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[GhostSixFour]

With regards to the arguing about the speed of the bike - surely someone knows where in CT this happened? Go in to google earth and measure the distances between the lamp posts, then use that to accurately calculate the speed.

 

[irBosOtter]

What are you talking about?

A MotoGP bike is a purpose built racing machine. Obviously there are rules and regulations, but it is built from the ground up to race. A WSBK is a road-legal bike tuned for racing.

Phillip Island is the fastest track WSBK visits. The fastest ever top speed in race trim recorded there was Max Biaggi's Aprilia; 324.6 km/h down the main straight. http://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/2018/Did+you+know+AUSWorldSBK+in+Numbers

MotoGP visits the same track. Last year, Danilo Petrucci's Ducati was clocked at 341.8 km/h on the same straight during the race.
https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/20...ia-motogp-results-and-coverage-15-fast-facts/

The MotoGP bikes are the ones that are more heavily restricted, notably by the tyres they use. They've reduced the grip to slow them in the corners. WSBK may have closed the gap - they're still on average 2 seconds a lap slower - but that is because MotoGP bikes have been reigned in.

The two are not comparable.

No **** Sherlock, they are not the fastest bikes due to the rules and regulations that they need to abide by...

You just said what I said lololol

Edit:

My point with all of this was to point out MotoGP/ WSBK/SWC racing bikes are slower than some road bikes due to them not being able to do what they want.
I suspect SauRoNZA thinks racing bikes are the fastest bikes on this planet as he started claiming that the bike in the video could not be going fast cause even a motogp bike could only reach 350 something

So I am pointing out that those bikes can only reach those speeds cause they physically can't go any faster cause of the restrictions they have...

 

[dualmeister]

With regards to the arguing about the speed of the bike - surely someone knows where in CT this happened? Go in to google earth and measure the distances between the lamp posts, then use that to accurately calculate the speed.

It's been done. Many times already.

 

[GhostSixFour]

It's been done. Many times already.

My bad in that case. Didn't quite feel like reading through all 50 pages, just saw that people are still arguing about the speed the bike was travelling.

 

[thestaggy]

Edit:

My point with all of this was to point out MotoGP/ WSBK/SWC racing bikes are slower than some road bikes due to them not being able to do what they want.

MotoGP bikes are hardly slower than anything found on the N1 on a Sunday night.

Fastest ever speed recorded on a MotoGP bike;

The MotoGP™ World Championship is getting faster and faster and the numbers speak for themselves. Andrea Dovizioso’s (Ducati Team) speed of 356.5km/h during Sunday's Gran Premio d'Italia Oakley is a milestone in motorcycle racing history, with the continuing evolution of the bikes allowing for greater top speeds to be reached.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/06/01/the-5-fastest-speeds-in-motogp-history/260767

Now keep in mind that Dovizioso's bike makes sacrifices in its gearing, its not geared for top end. Its geared to get around 14 corners as quick as possible.

Now lets look at a tuned Ninja H2. The H2 being a road-legal bike that comes standard with a supercharger.

The Brock’s Performance Ninja H2 achieved 197.7 mph in the standing half-mile, 220.4 mph in the mile (breaking the record set last year on the Brock’s H2 by veteran land speed racer Zack Millholland)…and a top speed of 226.9 mph at the 1.5-mile lights!

https://www.sportrider.com/video-high-speed-running-kawasakis-ninja-h2-to-2269-mph#page-10

226.9 mp/h translates to 365 km/h. The tuned Ninja H2 is 9 km/h faster than the Ducati MotoGP machine. On top of this the H2 was geared for a speed run and was clocked at the end of a 1.5 mile runway. Mugello's main straight is 708 miles long and the MotoGP bike makes sacrifices in its gearing. 9 km/h difference with .800 miles more of tarmac.

Gear a MotoGP for a speed run and you are looking at 370/380 easy, maybe even more. I think this debate has gone beyond stupid now. Not sure who in their right mind would try and compare a purpose-built racing machine with a tuned road bike.

 

[Solarion]

MotoGP

I once asked my dad this question when I was still a lad (he's big into MotoGP) and he said a road bike will most certainly be faster than a track bike because the track bikes are throttled back and have many rules and regulations to keep them safe for the track. A road bike is no holds barred.

 

[thestaggy]

I once asked my dad this question when I was still a lad (he's big into MotoGP) and he said a road bike will most certainly be faster than a track bike because the track bikes are throttled back and have many rules and regulations to keep them safe for the track. A road bike is no holds barred.

Please read my previous post. Links I have quoted and you can follow.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Cool, but you brought in MotoGP bikes as if you think they are fast... you obviously do not know they are not the fastest bikes as a few stock standard bikes you can buy off the showroom floor are faster that the fastest MotoGP bike. The SWC circuit uses stock standard bikes that even gets de-tuned if they are deemed too fast, and they are only 1 - 2 seconds behind the fastest MotoGP bike times around a lap. They are both very limited to what they can do to the bikes, almost no performance improving mods (none for SWC unless your bike is way behind the rest, then you get to choose ONE mod from a approved list), and some of the racing bikes (both MotoGP and SWC bikes) gets de-tuned as they are seen as too fast! MotoGP and SWC do not want the riders to have a edge over the others due to some bikes having more speed/power than others

Go read up on MotoGP and SWC rules and regulations and you will see they can't hardly do anything to the bikes

So it's moer easy to be honest if you are not limited to what you can do to a bike

You pay someone, a few days later you have a moer of a fast bike/car, easy as that.

Erm...I said nothing about MotoGP.

I don’t even watch it.

So the rest of your post is kind of irrelevant to me.

I’ve had the pleasure of riding a very highly modified ZX14 with about everything except a turbo, it was faster sure but doesn’t magically gain a monstrous top speed and suddenly does almost 400km/h.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Stock 2016+ S1000RR does 325 (or thereabouts )

Or “thereabouts” is exactly the problem were have here.

That 25 km/h over 300 every single kilometre counts and matters when arguing about top speeds.

Also is that on the speedo or on a logged GPS? All these things matter.

Regardless of what everything else can or cannot do...that bike on the video was nowhere close to 300 and certainly not over it.

 

[irBosOtter]

Erm...I said nothing about MotoGP.

I don’t even watch it.

So the rest of your post is kind of irrelevant to me.

I’ve had the pleasure of riding a very highly modified ZX14 with about everything except a turbo, it was faster sure but doesn’t magically gain a monstrous top speed and suddenly does almost 400km/h.

Sorry was probably someone else that said that a few pages back

 

[irBosOtter]

MotoGP bikes are hardly slower than anything found on the N1 on a Sunday night.

Fastest ever speed recorded on a MotoGP bike;



http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/06/01/the-5-fastest-speeds-in-motogp-history/260767

Now keep in mind that Dovizioso's bike makes sacrifices in its gearing, its not geared for top end. Its geared to get around 14 corners as quick as possible.

Now lets look at a tuned Ninja H2. The H2 being a road-legal bike that comes standard with a supercharger.



https://www.sportrider.com/video-high-speed-running-kawasakis-ninja-h2-to-2269-mph#page-10

226.9 mp/h translates to 365 km/h. The tuned Ninja H2 is 9 km/h faster than the Ducati MotoGP machine. On top of this the H2 was geared for a speed run and was clocked at the end of a 1.5 mile runway. Mugello's main straight is 708 miles long and the MotoGP bike makes sacrifices in its gearing. 9 km/h difference with .800 miles more of tarmac.

Gear a MotoGP for a speed run and you are looking at 370/380 easy, maybe even more. I think this debate has gone beyond stupid now. Not sure who in their right mind would try and compare a purpose-built racing machine with a tuned road bike.

Jip, and that is slow in my books for a MotoGP bike. With their restrictions they will not win a drag race on a public road against most modded road bikes, and some that's not even modded, as that's not what they are used for and built for.

 

[WaxLyrical]

This thread has grown longer than his legs..

Time to amputate bike speed talk.

 

[WaxLyrical]

With regards to the arguing about the speed of the bike - surely someone knows where in CT this happened? Go in to google earth and measure the distances between the lamp posts, then use that to accurately calculate the speed.

Who cares.
It was farking fast.

 

[jdido87]

heard through the vines that this dude wrote off a 1 series a few weeks earlier.

 

[thestaggy]

Jip, and that is slow in my books for a MotoGP bike. With their restrictions they will not win a drag race on a public road against most modded road bikes, and some that's not even modded, as that's not what they are used for and built for.

I'm tapping out.

 

[irBosOtter]

Erm...I said nothing about MotoGP.

I don’t even watch it.

So the rest of your post is kind of irrelevant to me.

I’ve had the pleasure of riding a very highly modified ZX14 with about everything except a turbo, it was faster sure but doesn’t magically gain a monstrous top speed and suddenly does almost 400km/h.

My humble apologizes, it was thestaggy

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

SWC in my case means Superbike World Championship

That's what I thought, and it is called the World Superbike Championship and abbreviated WSBK fyi (http://www.worldsbk.com/) I see sometimes people refer to the supersport/superstock class as SWC.

and I was agreeing with you on that front, I know WSBK has very limiting rules, where I'm disagreeing is only on the MotoGP front, there are very few limits in MotoGP, the bike must be maximum a certain capacity (but it can be lower should you wish) and it must be 4-stroke. There is no ECU / speed / power limit at all and you get weird and wonderful engine layouts like V5 / V4 / inline 4 and whatever else engineers can dream up precisely because the rules are not limiting in MotoGP.

There's also no requirement that the bike should resemble something that is in production and available to the public at all (which is another WSBK requirement). All in all MotoGP is very much a prototype racer class, less limiting rules than F1, maybe slightly more limiting than the most prototype focused race class in existence: LMP1

 

[thestaggy]

My humble apologizes, it was thestaggy

Yes, and I corrected and informed myself a few posts after that.

 

[irBosOtter]

I'm tapping out.

I would too if I was you seeing you are the one that said 330Km/h is MotoGP speeds in a previous post, unless I understood that post wrong...

Edit, sorry, I read your edit lololol

 

[irBosOtter]

Yes, and I corrected and informed myself a few posts after that.

Sorry, I did not read the correction