We’ll turn our economy around, whether people like it or not' – Ramaphosa

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do you honestly believe there is more time for a supposed president to play... "politics". to me, you are saying that none of the real criminals will face the law, because ramaphosa will be too busy protecting himself.
Actually, that's what a president does i.e. "play politics".

The only reason Cyril is "protecting himself" is so he can stay in power over the zuptoids.

The fact that you folks don't see this, and rather just whinge that there is no instantaneous transformation, makes you much like the "masses" that support zuma blindly.
 

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If he doesn't play politics, the country will not only continue burning, but actually start turning into charred bits of charcoal.
Do you seriously not get it?

If he continues to play politics we are FUBAR, if he hands the reigns back to the Zupta faction we are FUBAR. Literally the ONLY chance we have is if CR grows a spine and does what needs to be done without any further delay.

Sure, he may be recalled / opposed and we can go right back to square one ... so f-ing what? see above scenarios, we are FUBAR anyway, might as well roll the dice before it truly is too late
 

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Do you seriously not get it?

If he continues to play politics we are FUBAR, if he hands the reigns back to the Zupta faction we are FUBAR. Literally the ONLY chance we have is if CR grows a spine and does what needs to be done without any further delay.

Sure, he may be recalled / opposed and we can go right back to square one ... so f-ing what? see above scenarios, we are FUBAR anyway, might as well roll the dice before it truly is too late

I seriously get it. I think you do not.
 

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I seriously get it. I think you do not.
You're suffering from a severe case of Ramaphoria, most of the country has woken up from that trance, why haven't you?

Mind you, I would dearly love to be proven wrong, the odds are stacked against that though. Odds are I am right and we are fahked.
 

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Except if he does anything unpopular (necessary) they'll just get rid of him. Abandon all hope. The country is fccked.
I kinda have already, but pretty much all my assets and worldly possessions are here plus I finally enjoy my job for the first time in over a decade ... so I'm forced to hold on to a smidgen of hope if only to fool myself into thinking I'm not completely screwed in the short/medium term.
 

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I kinda have already, but pretty much all my assets and worldly possessions are here plus I finally enjoy my job for the first time in over a decade ... so I'm forced to hold on to a smidgen of hope if only to fool myself into thinking I'm not completely screwed in the short/medium term.
I suspect that it won't be as bad as you might be imagining. I think the difference between now and 10 years time will be pretty much the same as 10 years ago and now. There will always be opportunities for entrepreneurs so keep an eye open for sidelines.

Edit: and keep an eye out for opportunities to gtfo of course. Other Southern African countries are looking increasingly attractive.
 

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Actually, that's what a president does i.e. "play politics".

The only reason Cyril is "protecting himself" is so he can stay in power over the zuptoids.

The fact that you folks don't see this, and rather just whinge that there is no instantaneous transformation, makes you much like the "masses" that support zuma blindly.
do you also understand that this could be another way of keeping people entertained while time passes and they remain in power. i have not seen anything that gives me any other idea. all the while protecting themselves and presenting socialist ideas that cannot work here.

every time, there is some drama that goes on for years until the next election with promises of rectification when they need votes again.

this internal soap opera is just another version of it.
 

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You're suffering from a severe case of Ramaphoria, most of the country has woken up from that trance, why haven't you?

Mind you, I would dearly love to be proven wrong, the odds are stacked against that though. Odds are I am right and we are fahked.
Not quite. I just get that he is about our only chances, and being depressingly negative about him doesn't help anything.
 

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do you also understand that this could be another way of keeping people entertained while time passes and they remain in power. i have not seen anything that gives me any other idea. all the while protecting themselves and presenting socialist ideas that cannot work here.

every time, there is some drama that goes on for years until the next election with promises of rectification when they need votes again.

this internal soap opera is just another version of it.
I guess we view the same events differently.
 

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Being irrationally positive about him somehow helps more?!?
More like hopefully positive.

But let's see. He has replaced Zuma/Zuma's wife. Who would have been in power with a Public Protector who has shown herself to be a rabid zuptoid.

At the very least, the rampant state looting has been drastically reduced, the Gupta's have fled the country, and the economy-destroying nuclear deal has been shelved.

If you can't scrounge a mote of optimism from that, then I think irrational might be ascribed to yourself.
 

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You're suffering from a severe case of Ramaphoria, most of the country has woken up from that trance, why haven't you?

Mind you, I would dearly love to be proven wrong, the odds are stacked against that though. Odds are I am right and we are fahked.
As bad as it is, it could be worse - just imagine if Dlamini-Zuma was the President.

If the zuptoid faction manages to unseat ("de-throne") CR, it might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
I know of more than a few people that take the utterances made by the EFF seriously.
They are not violent, but they are prepared (and able) to defend what is rightfully theirs to the death.
All hell could break loose.
Blood might spill - plenty of it.
Heaven help us all.
 

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More like hopefully positive.
When one is the sole bread winner for a family and you are responsible for multiple other people's future lives I am afraid "hope" is not a luxury you should be indulging in.

the rampant state looting has been drastically reduced
Has it? Where's your proof of this?

the Gupta's have fled the country, and the economy-destroying nuclear deal has been shelved.
both of which happened while Zuma was still in charge fyi

If you can't scrounge a mote of optimism from that, then I think irrational might be ascribed to yourself.
See above, dissecting things rationally at every step, hope is not a strategy btw
Hope is something you can do after you emigrate and escape from the most likely outcome, can always come back if things improve significantly.
 
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