Well-known rock climber killed during robbery at Mpumalanga resort

[Glock26]

He hit the guy likely 3 times. Maybe not lethal, but the guy won't be happy for a long time.
The guy was screaming like a pig as he ran. Car had entered the complex, then left again, drove and u-turned and came back. Probably after his watch...I think I heard it was a Tag, maybe they thought it was something better.
Glock 19....of course. Easy to miss in the heat of things. But I don't think he did. Regular shooter, as should all of us who carry. I think situational awareness was the most important lesson here. He had picked them up on his radar and was prepared mentally.

 

[MidnightWizard]

R.I.P. Jjust goes to show, in SA, if sheet goes down, ignore it. Try and be a hero, and you are dead.

I just CANNOT understand people dashing off to help -- with their bare hands -- against well armed and hyped perps
Just CANNOT get my hear round this desire to dash into danger UNPREPARED !

Like the poor dude in Mthata that also tried to help

Be prepared have the gun ready -- shoot fast and first

 

[MidnightWizard]

Unless you're clint eastwood

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1188528638788067328

Thanks
I found it quite fascinating reading the comments
Unlike the "staged" outrage we often see it was quite refreshing to see the open anger -- from EVERYONE !
ALL working together we can rid SA of these low life rubbish
Just learn -- to SHOOT STRAIGHT

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

I just CANNOT understand people dashing off to help -- with their bare hands -- against well armed and hyped perps
Just CANNOT get my hear round this desire to dash into danger UNPREPARED !

Like the poor dude in Mthata that also tried to help

Be prepared have the gun ready -- shoot fast and first

In South Africa carrying a gun is a must. Orcs roam freely! Kill or be killed - comes to mind.

 

[GhostSixFour]

That guy can't shoot for sht. look at the slide on the pistol. He is squeezing them but the robber is not dropping.

You do realise that the reason military target shooting is practiced on human silhouettes is that they found even during times of war, soldiers tend to aim high and miss, not entirely on purpose, just the thought of killing someone affecting their aim.

Now you're in a high stress situation, you're pissing out bullets and in the back of your mind is the thought that you could go to prison and you might have it on your conscience that you killed someone and wake up to their face every night in your nightmares.

But hey, drop the guy. It's that easy.

 

[Magnum]

You do realise that the reason military target shooting is practiced on human silhouettes is that they found even during times of war, soldiers tend to aim high and miss, not entirely on purpose, just the thought of killing someone affecting their aim.

Now you're in a high stress situation, you're pissing out bullets and in the back of your mind is the thought that you could go to prison and you might have it on your conscience that you killed someone and wake up to their face every night in your nightmares.

But hey, drop the guy. It's that easy.

No the last thing you do is randomly fire rounds. Identify your target. IF you can't hit it don't shoot. acess where your rounds will end up. compensate for over penetration. Thats why firearm compensation training is several hundred questions.

 

[TheChamp]

He hit the guy likely 3 times. Maybe not lethal, but the guy won't be happy for a long time.
The guy was screaming like a pig as he ran. Car had entered the complex, then left again, drove and u-turned and came back. Probably after his watch...I think I heard it was a Tag, maybe they thought it was something better.
Glock 19....of course. Easy to miss in the heat of things. But I don't think he did. Regular shooter, as should all of us who carry. I think situational awareness was the most important lesson here. He had picked them up on his radar and was prepared mentally.

The guy was still running like that after being hit three times? This is how I like my criminals to run after getting shot.

 

[Glock26]

Well...both perps in that case ran away too....one died much later.
People don't just drop when shot...even multiple times. That is what people need to know, and why you keep shooting until the guy stops moving. Headshots are unlikely, and COM (Center of mass) still allows someone to react for some time.
These guys tend to go to a sangoma instead of a hospital. Often they die there and are dumped somewhere. Cops don't link them to a particular crime.

 

[TheChamp]

Well...both perps in that case ran away too....one died much later.
People don't just drop when shot...even multiple times. That is what people need to know, and why you keep shooting until the guy stops moving. Headshots are unlikely, and COM (Center of mass) still allows someone to react for some time.
These guys tend to go to a sangoma instead of a hospital. Often they die there and are dumped somewhere. Cops don't link them to a particular crime.

I did not necessarily expect him to drop, It's the 'full of life' type of running that bothers me, I just don't like the way he runs.

 

[pinball wizard]

Ja nee, and they want to encourage tourism without seriously dealing with crime.

But they are serious. They're coming for you eToll bill.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I did not necessarily expect him to drop, It's the 'full of life' type of running that bothers me, I just don't like the way he runs.

Had a guy die on my lawn after being shot way down the road. He broke into a house during the day where the owner who works night shift was sleeping, got a surprise and tried attacking. When the owner drew a gun and shot him, he ran half a block before collapsing. Apparently he was going full tilt until he suddenly slowed, swayed, keeled over and checked out.

On the funnier side, it always amazes me how when these guys take off, the getaway vehicle can't keep up. Adrenaline beats petrol. Why bother?

 

[Tokolotshe]

Don't hijack in Cape Town, you might have a SUV driving over you:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189769550419677185

Randburg ups the stakes. You'll get moered with a stapler ...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189831046352834560

 

[noxibox]

Jirre the reaction time and response from that guy in the blue shirt is spot-on.
A perfect example why every law-abiding citizen in this country needs to be armed and trained to the teeth.

Firstly the majority are not going to spend the time to train to the point where it is instinct and keep training to maintain that. Never mind the fact that even with training their accuracy is going to be poor under stress. It's inevitable they'll injure or kill bystanders. The more people pulling out guns the more likely it becomes. It also won't have the slightest impact on criminals, because they won't care about shooting first. Next time those guys in the car will know to shoot first then rob.

Knowing how South Africa's laws love to protect criminals, i wouldn't be surprised if the cops already visited this guy to make sure he had a gun license or possibly arrest him, cause, you know - you can't just waive a gun around as a citizen. Only criminals are allowed to.

No, criminals are not allowed to just wave a gun around. And I wouldn't generally want legal gun owners doing so either. Plenty of examples of them shooting bystanders.

What's wrong with that?

Gun owners should be above the law apparently.

What's wrong is that the intention is to prosecute the innocent for something and caring much less about the actual criminals.

No, they're just following the correct procedure. It's perfectly correct to confirm the gun is owned legally and was used appropriately.

A friend of mine called the police to see footage in their complex of 8 cars being broken into by the same person.
The cops response? "Does your complex have the consent of the residents to record video?" Since the complex did not have written consent only minutes from an AGM the cop said they cannot use the footage and the cameras should be taken down...Nothing was ever done about the clear facial image of the guy seen breaking into cars.

So your complaint is that the complex broke the law and so their footage wouldn't be admissible in court.