Western Cape aims for 40% drop in crime

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The Western Cape, already boasting some success in bringing down crime, hopes to better the crime-busting feats of New York mayor Rudi Giuliani.

A five-year 40% drop in crime by 2008 "is a target that can be achievable", provincial police commissioner Mzandile Petros said in Cape Town on Tuesday.

His remarks at a Business Against Crime breakfast came in the wake of last month's release of statistics showing crime in the province dropped 17% in the past financial year.

He said that if one looked at the figures over three years, the drop was in fact 23%.

"We will always be told that New York reduced crime by 40%," he said.

"What we fail to understand, is that this should be an accumulative reduction in terms of a period of time."

In the next financial year, the Western Cape should better the 23% figure already achieved.

"The 40% is the 40% that was the target achieved by Giuliani in New York. And I don't want to confine myself. Maybe we come up with 45% at the end of the five years; we don't know," Petros said.

"But as we're looking at the scoreboard now, the future looks bright."

Petros took to task people -- including Democratic Alliance safety and security spokesperson Dianne Kohler-Barnard -- who compared South Africa unfavourably with other countries when it came to crime.

He said he had visited Bogota in drug-war ridden Colombia, where on every street corner there was a soldier "with a big gun".

While he talked about arrests, Bogota police talked about their body count of criminals.


"When people want to make comments they must research," Petros said. – Sapa

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=286314
 
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offcourse they crime will drop by 40% via modified statistics... my opinion is that things are only going to get much worse.

cool, the cops catch the bad guys, next week they have to chase the same bad guys, catch them and then next week...
 

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Are they gonna get provincial police or will they somehow take over the SAPS? :rolleyes:

I dont see how else it is possible...
 

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counting........eish

A five-year 40% drop in crime by 2008 "is a target that can be achievable", provincial police commissioner Mzandile Petros said in Cape Town on Tuesday.
 

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Well... actually it seems to be getting worse in general. just the amount of people getting mugged, burgled, hijacked etc. is going up, im not sure where they really got those decreasing figures...

Maybe all over the rest of the Western Cape things are doing a lot better but I dont know...
 

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He said he had visited Bogota in drug-war ridden Colombia, where on every street corner there was a soldier "with a big gun".

While he talked about arrests, Bogota police talked about their body count of criminals.

Well maybe that's the solution. :D And why does government always compare SA to the lowest of the low to justify the crime levels etc. Soon we'll be hearing "Hey, don't complain, its worse in Darfur". And it definitely seems to be getting worse, despite what govt stats say.
 

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Well maybe that's the solution. :D And why does government always compare SA to the lowest of the low to justify the crime levels etc. Soon we'll be hearing "Hey, don't complain, its worse in Darfur". And it definitely seems to be getting worse, despite what govt stats say.


Aha - once again, it 'seems' to be getting worse - absolutely no basis for your assumption, therefore the assumption is deemed inadmissable in any factual debate around crime stats
 

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Aha - once again, it 'seems' to be getting worse - absolutely no basis for your assumption, therefore the assumption is deemed inadmissable in any factual debate around crime stats

The authority has spoken.
 

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40% drop??? What is 40%?? How do they determine the percentage???

NO CRIME is what we need.
 

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Aha - once again, it 'seems' to be getting worse - absolutely no basis for your assumption, therefore the assumption is deemed inadmissable in any factual debate around crime stats

Where the hell do you live?? Are you even in SA? lol :)


According to the stats, crime is dropping in some areas, certain criminal activities are being curtailed, but, I do not trust those stats, at all.
Reason being, in my neighboorhood alone, crime is soaring, violent crime, petty crime, everything! Every single bloody ****** night, someone here gets shot, lots of people are dying. I hear similair stories from my friends, that the crime in their neighboorhoods are spinning out of control, but then, the areas they live in was a bit safer all the years. Still, when many people start complaining, noting, a rise in crime, and the gov. stats says otherwise, you have to be sceptical.

Not picking on you mate, just trying to get a point accross :)


Back to the topic, how will they do it?
They don't seem to be giving the people a concrete plan to reduce crime, just lip service. :mad:



EDIT: Well said Piesang!
 

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Where the hell do you live?? Are you even in SA? lol :)

I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise, It sounds as though you live in the heart of Sunnyside - I have said before on this forum and I'll say it again -Where I live there has only been one break-in into a car over the last five years - I still walk to the Centurion Mall in the evening ( for exercise and to clear my head ) and get back well after dark, I braai every second or third evening, go often for night swims, and my wife regularly goes to the local shopping center alone, walking all by herself.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this, to paint a picture that S Africans are in a state of perpetual panic and fear, not being able to do anything is at best a misunderstanding of the situation, at worst a blatant lie
 

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I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise, It sounds as though you live in the heart of Sunnyside - I have said before on this forum and I'll say it again -Where I live there has only been one break-in into a car over the last five years - I still walk to the Centurion Mall in the evening ( for exercise and to clear my head ) and get back well after dark, I braai every second or third evening, go often for night swims, and my wife regularly goes to the local shopping center alone, walking all by herself.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this, to paint a picture that S Africans are in a state of perpetual panic and fear, not being able to do anything is at best a misunderstanding of the situation, at worst a blatant lie

There is no way you will sing this tune the day crime hits your neighbourhood. I promise you now that the day that you yourself are seriously affected by crime (e.g. like your wife gets violently raped then murdered), your entire attitude will change. Till then, be safe, but do not try and down play a seriously out of control situation just because you yourself are not affected. That is just a stupid thing to do. You're a very lucky man, so be thankful rather than condescending.
 

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I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise, It sounds as though you live in the heart of Sunnyside - I have said before on this forum and I'll say it again -Where I live there has only been one break-in into a car over the last five years - I still walk to the Centurion Mall in the evening ( for exercise and to clear my head ) and get back well after dark, I braai every second or third evening, go often for night swims, and my wife regularly goes to the local shopping center alone, walking all by herself.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this, to paint a picture that S Africans are in a state of perpetual panic and fear, not being able to do anything is at best a misunderstanding of the situation, at worst a blatant lie

Would you perhaps consider that you are the exception rather than the rule?
 

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Aha - once again, it 'seems' to be getting worse - absolutely no basis for your assumption, therefore the assumption is deemed inadmissable in any factual debate around crime stats
You are clearly not looking out of the correct window. I would also guess that the only paper read in your household is "ANC Today":D

You seem to follow the government view (and not for the first time) that if it ain't an official statistic, then it didn't happen. I say to people like you, publish the correct, timely, non-massaged stats so we all know what's occuring and then we can react accordingly. We're not all illiterates living in mud huts.
 

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Heist shooting: Cops working around the clock
Armed robbers hit primary school
Minister's wife awarded R5-million tender
Durban hijackers shoot, then drive over man
Aids patients die before drugs arrive

(a sample off TODAY'S FRONT PAGE - and everyday is the same)

xtermin8or obviously doesn't read the news - he lives in la-la land where the cops come around for coffee (I wonder why - when they should be out on the beat?)

But we should be happy we get to read it at all - if the government has its way - THERE WILL BE NO NEWS TODAY!

The practical effects will be that the media will be subjected to pre-publication censorship, probably forced to expunge large amounts of their news coverage from their pages or broadcasts and submit to procedures which will prevent papers from being distributed on a daily or weekly basis and result in broadcasters having to delay news broadcasts.
Take a stand against censorship
 

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I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20061010005111283C656327
There has been a definite increase in the number of people who have been admitted as victims of violent crimes. This increase has been over just the past year in the Centurion area

From the people dealing with the real mess.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this,

People in Centurion walking? Don't play. I walk often, and I *am* the exception. No-one even walks across the damn road in Centurion. It's wasteful.

I live in Centurion too. I on the other hand take note of crimes in the area. From kids being kidnapped in Swartkops to the rash of burglaries around the lake area. Don't try and pass it off as some sort of paradise because it suits your views.
 

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I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise, It sounds as though you live in the heart of Sunnyside - I have said before on this forum and I'll say it again -Where I live there has only been one break-in into a car over the last five years - I still walk to the Centurion Mall in the evening ( for exercise and to clear my head ) and get back well after dark, I braai every second or third evening, go often for night swims, and my wife regularly goes to the local shopping center alone, walking all by herself.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this, to paint a picture that S Africans are in a state of perpetual panic and fear, not being able to do anything is at best a misunderstanding of the situation, at worst a blatant lie

Same old stupid song! Again? and Again? What are You? Brainless!
 

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I live in Centurion, Lyttleton to be precise, It sounds as though you live in the heart of Sunnyside - I have said before on this forum and I'll say it again -Where I live there has only been one break-in into a car over the last five years - I still walk to the Centurion Mall in the evening ( for exercise and to clear my head ) and get back well after dark, I braai every second or third evening, go often for night swims, and my wife regularly goes to the local shopping center alone, walking all by herself.

And I am not the only one, I see lots of people doing this, to paint a picture that S Africans are in a state of perpetual panic and fear, not being able to do anything is at best a misunderstanding of the situation, at worst a blatant lie

Indeed, lyttelton is a safe palce, because when the new gov came, they did not close your police station.
I'm not that far from you, but in our neighbourhood as I said, and the same goes for the rest of the new suburbs in PTA, THERE IS NO police stations. With a bloody large part of the city's population in these suburbs.

You are just bloody lucky mate, you got a home in a safe suburb, of which there are only 4 in the whole city, I think you should, just like taboo should, get out of your comfort zone more often.

I've seen whats out there mate, and if you think there is no crime just because there is little crime in your area, you are freaking blind man!
Open those eye-lids my friend!

http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/r.../_pdf/stations/gauteng/pretoria/lyttelton.pdf

^^^--- Lyttelton Station Stats.
Obviously ithey don't cover only lyttelton, afaik, they cover quite a large area, but still, some of those crimes would have been in lyttelton itself.
And, rape and murder is rising...
 

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people on this forum have made mass assumptions about me. In my line of work i see lots of crime, definitely more than the average South African, prolly more than most of you on this forum. Granted this may have made me a bit blase about crime, but

Crime has directly affected members of my close family

My sister was killed in her house - stabbed over 20 times
houses have been broken into and cars stolen
some recently - most over ten years ago

I am not blind to the situation, anyone who looks at the statistics would be stupid to say there is no problem.

But I still say, when you look around be Menlyn, Lyttleton, Sandton, or the V&A waterfront - people are not hiding in their houses afraid to come out, if that's where you are, come out a bit and start living with the rest of us

Also - I am not a member nor do I support any political party -

@ SKeptik, while I do read ANC Today( the letter from the President - is often too long and convoluted - to make an interesting read ) , I also have the VF+ newsletter sent to me, and read just about every newspaper I can get my hands on :D
 
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