Western Cape government defies Cabinet, set to acquire own Covid-19 vaccine

ForceFate

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Can't find anything on their site or media that it has been approved. Only thing I could find was mention that samples would have to be submitted to some national lab for testing etc etc


Which brings us back to,
Say Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines get approval, but the WC government can only get firm confirmations from Sinovac and Russia...

How would they get these approved? They were touting Russian and Chinese vaccines as alternatives, weren't they?
 

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So where's the approval ForceFate was going on about a few posts up?

No idea, but I think the government isn't thinking along the same lines as what you are thinking. As long as AstraZ says "yes we will sell you XX doses" then voila, in governments book that's considered procured. You know how contradictory and loose the government plays with words, "purchased" in this case might just be a [proforma] invoice received but actual cash/credit payment has not been made. Given governments greedy history with tenders, they probably haven't worked out who the local tenderpreneur partner is supposed to be to act as the importer to get the stuff in, once the logistics are worked out, the approval will swiftly follow.
 

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So how will the nat gov get theirs approved? And according to them they have already purchased 1.5m doses...
SAHPRA reports to Mkhize. Mkhize said no procurement by anyone except national government.
 

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How many times does it have to be repeated that it was not Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma but Manto Tshabalala-Msimang?

Manto Tshabalala-Msimang

Manto Tshabalala-Msimang - Wikipedia

Eh? :confused:

The real Virodene scandal


The political mud-slinging that erupted this week between the Democratic Party and the African National Congress over the so-called “Aids treatment” Virodene has served to obscure the real issues, and significant dangers, associated with the Virodene project.

Minister of Health Nkosazana Zuma’s fierce response seems to indicate that the tenacious minister has not yet given up her belief in the possibilities of this compound, in the face of opposition from most medical experts, nor has she turned her back on the Virodene researchers.

This championing of people who have broken every rule of scientific practice and displayed a total lack of basic ethics in treating human beings with experimental drugs is more than just an act of misguided loyalty: it has implications for South Africa’s entire medical community.
 

pinball wizard

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PS. I won't touch a vaccine which isn't approved locally and abroad. i.e. if they push sputnik or sinovac they can shove it up their arse.
That makes no sense. Both of those are approved in many countries abroad as you put it.
 

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Obviously the anc will fight this in court.

They would have a million people die rather than admit they are grossly incompetent...
Tis but a sacrifice that must be made for socialism.
 

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They've actually been very proactive with the vaccine approvals.. so this likely for the treatment stuff and believing the hype train of the right wing.



The DA are preparing for the hiding.. I should remind people that it as Steinhuisen that suggest mass roll out of Pfizer/Moderna (LMFAO.. good luck) and even suggested Sinovac(Chinese) and Sputnik(Russion) both of which have insufficient data that even the WHO is hesitant on it. I'll say it again.. they being idiots about their pandemic response and coming across as valuing businesses and influencials more than average citizen. There is definately fall out gonna happen.. i'm just waiting for one of their spurious decisions to backfire badly as its coming.

For the non bias persons watching this showdown u can't help but look at them with disgust. Yes the ANC has screwed up in the past BUT there is a difference between being constructive with engagments vs opposing for the sake of it and losing rationality in the process.


When last i checked she wasn't in charge of health nor vaccines for covid. If you ask me the DA is the one suggesting sub-rate vaccines. The Oxford and J&J ones are the best vs all available aspects at play and the Ramaphosa being head of AU is being quite clever in that he is doing a Covax for Africa along with bilateral stuff. all i'm saying is .. politcking is gonna bite stage is set for an epic fail. WC, or rather DA, seems hellbent on winning this haha.
...the old me would now mount my **** you DA soapbox...but...when you venture into the realm of politics, and you don't have a solid footing in the greater good..be authentic in your intent.. you just looking for and maintaining external power...you will never achieve anything substantial, as you will attract , what you are or what your collective energy of your organisation is putting out...and those that could make a difference/impact ...can smell the crap a mile away...but again, politics is sordid realm...good luck to all that call that their profession/ work environment.
 

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Say Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines get approval, but the WC government can only get firm confirmations from Sinovac and Russia...

How would they get these approved? They were touting Russian and Chinese vaccines as alternatives, weren't they?

You're going in circles now. Show me one vaccine that is approved.

Let's assume they go for vaccine W, why can they/company not submit it to SAHPRA like any other drug for approval and if W is already approved in other countries and has the blessing of the WHO then SAHPRA can fast track it like they said it would.

You seem to have two different standards/arguments for the nat gov & wc gov. I get the impression that if the wc gov would for arguments sake manage to procure 10m doses of AstraZeneca and immunise the wc population in 3months you would be pissed off.
 

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So how does Dlamini Zuma feature in this instance? She isn't a health Minister so I am struggling to see the relevance of how she can or cannot be trusted in the procurement of the vaccine.

If Dlamin-Zuma can over-rule the president on matters related to health (smoking ban) she can over-rule anyone.

The issue of trust and not being a health minister, although they seem related, they actually are not. Her track record of making illogical decisions despite professional medical science warnings against such decisions is what makes her untrustworthy.
 

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So Johnson & Johnson is based in W/C.
J&J's vaccine trials in SA are being carried out at 2 facilities, both in W/C.
J&J have committed to giving vaccine trial host nations priority access to their vaccine.

Perhaps W/C govt are going to apply some pressure.
 

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You missed the whole kerfuffle in the first week of this year after Steenhuisen called out the lack of a vaccine strategy and was criticised on social media for it? The DA got the ball rolling on this issue, with others, such as trade unions and the like, only following afterwards
Yep, dont really follow politics any longer ... but yet their was plan, endorsed by the medical experts that advise the NCCC? Kinda took the wind out of old John's fear mongering. The less fear we can pump out, the better...people are stressed beyond measure..but again, when in politics, you do what you have to do.
 

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No idea, but I think the government isn't thinking along the same lines as what you are thinking. As long as AstraZ says "yes we will sell you XX doses" then voila, in governments book that's considered procured. You know how contradictory and loose the government plays with words, "purchased" in this case might just be a [proforma] invoice received but actual cash/credit payment has not been made. Given governments greedy history with tenders, they probably haven't worked out who the local tenderpreneur partner is supposed to be to act as the importer to get the stuff in, once the logistics are worked out, the approval will swiftly follow.

No gov said delivery of 1m doses in Jan and 0.5m doses in Feb so they confirmed delivery which in my eyes says the deal is done.
 

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So Johnson & Johnson is based in W/C.
J&J's vaccine trials in SA are being carried out at 2 facilities, both in W/C.
J&J have committed to giving vaccine trial host nations priority access to their vaccine.

Perhaps W/C govt are going to apply some pressure.

So the results for this one is out this week I think? Not sure.. with J&J/Aspen manufacture (like India’s SII for OxfordAstra) they adjusted approval strategy in SA by evaluating phase 1&2 already while awaiting final phase shaving a few days or weeks off approval in SA.

Wrt strategy.. basically every gov especially Africa will be interested in this one for one obvious reason.. it’s a single dose shot at standard vaccine temp too. Ie least burdensome admin.. just not too sure on cost as I know it’s cheaper than the synthetics ($30+) but the Oxford one is a non-profit based vaccine which is $2-3.

I reckon combo of the two will be the way forward though(if more costly than dual shot astra) and likely to be used in more rural settings, but who knows.. efficacy is unknown till results come and that vs cost will be looked at.
 

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Lekker, do it.
The private medical aids need to simply follow suit too.
Tired of the pathetic ANC hot air blower politicians that are more concerned about their fancy cars and exorbitant incomes than they are about doing anything that involves actual progress and anything forward thinking.
 
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