What Are We Doing As White English Speaking People in SA?

RedViking

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I started my own support group, Vikings of the African South. We all get along very well. There is no hate. Even pigs and goats are welcome. English speaking Afrikaans persons are also welcome.

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I started my own support group, Vikings of the African South. We all get along very well. There is no hate. Even pigs and goats are welcome. English speaking Afrikaans persons are also welcome.

/Is it Friday yet?
I'm in ... Oops? No dogs? :unsure:

Looks for matches to start a flame war braai.
 

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I started my own support group, Vikings of the African South. We all get along very well. There is no hate. Even pigs and goats are welcome. English speaking Afrikaans persons are also welcome.

/Is it Friday yet?
I'm on leave - every day is Friday. And every hour is beer o'clock. And the boss is never at the office. And they disabled the internet restrictions.
 
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ESSA are in a minority ( English speaking ) within a minority ( white South Africans )
As much as is denied I am afraid we ARE different ( I am NOT claiming superiority )
What ESSA need to do is interact in an open and friendly manner as much as possible with Afrikaans speaking South Africans in order to find and encourage the similarities ( there are many ) While STILL keeping their unique South African identity.
There is NOTHING stopping them propagating the same message -- with common interests, with common desires for home, family, job, a decent life and a better future

Whatever Afriforum and other organisations may say or think -- in the end we will ALL be together in the same trench
It is time to get over / past the history and think about the future.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL !

( Now please sent photos of pretty and beguiling Boere Meisies .......... )
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In the last 20 years we have sat and done nothing. ..

I don't know about you, but this is MY country as much as it is anyone else's. Isn't it time we did something?
A suggestion from a non-white non-english person - if I may. How about you guys do what you did before last 20 years? That would work well?
 

John Tempus

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A suggestion from a non-white non-english person - if I may. How about you guys do what you did before last 20 years? That would work well?
Well ZoomZoom conveniently leave out the fact that her history started the process of Apartheid , it was a system introduced first by the British into South African politics but lets conveniently ignore that for the sake of hating on White Afrikaners while we are at it. :)

British introduced it.
Afrikaner Government enforced it.
The British then fought against what they introduced.
Afrikaner Government then made way to abolish it.

I guess we are just going to cherry pick the one part in there that the British were fighting against it as the moral of the story and conveniently ignore the fact they started the fire in the first place. *shrug* facts hurt *shrug*

Interesting article about the British and South African government putting the plan into action _TOGETHER_

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...des-and-smuts-caused-black-south-1370856.html
 

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Well ZoomZoom conveniently leave out the fact that her history started the process of Apartheid , it was a system introduced first by the British into South African politics but lets conveniently ignore that for the sake of hating on White Afrikaners while we are at it. :)

British introduced it.
Afrikaner Government enforced it.
The British then fought against what they introduced.
Afrikaner Government then made way to abolish it.

I guess we are just going to cherry pick the one part in there that the British were fighting against it as the moral of the story and conveniently ignore the fact they started the fire in the first place. *shrug* facts hurt *shrug*

Interesting article about the British and South African government putting the plan into action _TOGETHER_

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...des-and-smuts-caused-black-south-1370856.html
Similar to the British creating concentration camps and then being shocked in WWII when someone else did as well.

https://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/...tration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902
 

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Similar to the British creating concentration camps and then being shocked in WWII when someone else did as well.

https://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/...tration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902
Yup, but it does not conform to someone like ZoomZoom trying to make the Afrikaner out as the most evil person on this planet. I am not actually trying to divide us just showing the hypocrisy coming from ZoomZoom left right and center.

There is very few if any system in place in South Africa that was not implemented here by the British under colonial rule. The good and bad.

What makes me sick is the General in charge of the Boer War concentration camps were awarded medals for his genocide on the Afrikaners implementing concentration camps yet here comes WWII and the british is outraged by the german concentration camps. There is a serious disconnect in the brain stem by these cultures that I just cannot reconcile.

Yes again I said it, this was genocide on Afrikaner nation with estimates between 30-40% of the Afrikaner population dying of malnutrition and disease in these death camps. If losing 30-40% of a certain group of people is not genocide then call me penishead.

Hey ZoomZoom please remind me again why you(english) is so much more superior to the Afrikaner ?



Here is good writeup if anyone care to read. Reminds me a lot on how the Nazi's tried to put a spin on their death camps.



Letters reveal British effort to cover up true horrors of the first death camps

British officials considered launching a publicity campaign to cover up the true conditions of concentration camps in which thousands of women and children died during the Boer War, new documents have revealed.

An archive of letters and photographs owned by Major Sir Hamilton Goold-Adams, a colonial official in South Africa, has come to light. The documents, to be auctioned this week, contain hitherto unknown confidential letters from Lord Milner, the man charged with sorting out the disastrous South African camps after news of their conditions had been exposed in Britain.

The letters reveal that the black arts of media manipulation were not just a feature of the modern political age. In one letter, Milner appears to suggest that ways of playing down the horror of the camps.
'It is impossible not to see that, however blameless we may be in the matter, we shall not be able to make anybody think so, and I cannot avoid an uncomfortable feeling that there must be some way to make the thing a little less awfully bad if one could only think of it,' he wrote.

In another letter Milner talks about trying to gather as many sympathetic statistics and figures as possible and passing them promptly back to the government to use in a media campaign.

'That's classic Milner - he was well aware of the need to manage public opinion. This is a very interesting archive,' said Dr Iain Smith, a South African history expert at the University of Warwick.

The British Army created the concentration camps as part of a campaign against Boer guerrillas fighting against the takeover of their independent republic. Civilians were herded into the camps from their farms, but the insanitary conditions cost many their lives as hunger and disease ran rampant. Between June 1901 and May 1902, of the 115,000 people in the camps, almost 28,000 died, about 22,000 of them children. The death toll represented about 10 per cent of the Boer population. About 20,000 black people also died in other camps.

'It is an episode that British people very clearly want to forget and brush under the carpet. It was grim and reprehensible,' said Roger Westwood-Brookes, a documents expert at Dominic Winter Book Auctions, the firm that is selling the archive.

Some of the correspondence reveals the horrific death rate the camps caused. One letter, written at the end of 1901, lamented the fact that the death rate among young children in the camps was still not dropping. 'The theory that, all the weakly children being dead, the rate would fall off is not so far borne out by the facts,' Milner wrote. 'The strong ones must be dying now and they will all be dead by the spring of 1903.'

The tragedy was exposed by British campaigner Emily Hobhouse and caused a political scandal. She was labelled a 'turncoat' for her activities by politicians.

Milner had been sent to South Africa to try to improve the situation, but the letters reveal some of the immense logistical problems he faced. Many of the camps were short of supplies because South Africa's railway lines and rolling stock were all taken up with supplying the troops.

One letter from November 1901 showed that officials seemed powerless to stop the rising death rates.
'I thought that we had begun to turn the corner and that after having reached unparalleled heights of mortality in October we should now show a heavy decline. Unfortunately, the figures have risen again alarmingly,' Milner wrote.
The archive has already generated interest from several institutions, including Oxford's Bodleian Library. 'In its entirety this collection is of historical importance. It makes a valuable contribution,' said Ian Shapiro, an expert at Argyle Atkins, which specialises in buying historical documents and is considering bidding.
 
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Yup, but it does not conform to someone like ZoomZoom trying to make the Afrikaner out as the most evil person on this planet. I am not actually trying to divide us just showing the hypocrisy coming from ZoomZoom left right and center.

There is very few if any system in place in South Africa that was not implemented here by the British under colonial rule. The good and bad.

What makes me sick is the General in charge of the Boer War concentration camps were awarded medals for his genocide on the Afrikaners implementing concentration camps yet here comes WWII and the british is outraged by the german concentration camps. There is a serious disconnect in the brain stem by these cultures that I just cannot reconcile.

Yes again I said it, this was genocide on Afrikaner nation with estimates between 30-40% of the Afrikaner population dying of malnutrition and disease in these death camps. If losing 30-40% of a certain group of people is not genocide then call me penishead.

Hey ZoomZoom please remind me again why you(english) is so much more superior to the Afrikaner ?



Here is good writeup if anyone care to read. Reminds me a lot on how the Nazi's tried to put a spin on their death camps.



Letters reveal British effort to cover up true horrors of the first death camps

British officials considered launching a publicity campaign to cover up the true conditions of concentration camps in which thousands of women and children died during the Boer War, new documents have revealed.

An archive of letters and photographs owned by Major Sir Hamilton Goold-Adams, a colonial official in South Africa, has come to light. The documents, to be auctioned this week, contain hitherto unknown confidential letters from Lord Milner, the man charged with sorting out the disastrous South African camps after news of their conditions had been exposed in Britain.

The letters reveal that the black arts of media manipulation were not just a feature of the modern political age. In one letter, Milner appears to suggest that ways of playing down the horror of the camps.
'It is impossible not to see that, however blameless we may be in the matter, we shall not be able to make anybody think so, and I cannot avoid an uncomfortable feeling that there must be some way to make the thing a little less awfully bad if one could only think of it,' he wrote.

In another letter Milner talks about trying to gather as many sympathetic statistics and figures as possible and passing them promptly back to the government to use in a media campaign.

'That's classic Milner - he was well aware of the need to manage public opinion. This is a very interesting archive,' said Dr Iain Smith, a South African history expert at the University of Warwick.

The British Army created the concentration camps as part of a campaign against Boer guerrillas fighting against the takeover of their independent republic. Civilians were herded into the camps from their farms, but the insanitary conditions cost many their lives as hunger and disease ran rampant. Between June 1901 and May 1902, of the 115,000 people in the camps, almost 28,000 died, about 22,000 of them children. The death toll represented about 10 per cent of the Boer population. About 20,000 black people also died in other camps.

'It is an episode that British people very clearly want to forget and brush under the carpet. It was grim and reprehensible,' said Roger Westwood-Brookes, a documents expert at Dominic Winter Book Auctions, the firm that is selling the archive.

Some of the correspondence reveals the horrific death rate the camps caused. One letter, written at the end of 1901, lamented the fact that the death rate among young children in the camps was still not dropping. 'The theory that, all the weakly children being dead, the rate would fall off is not so far borne out by the facts,' Milner wrote. 'The strong ones must be dying now and they will all be dead by the spring of 1903.'

The tragedy was exposed by British campaigner Emily Hobhouse and caused a political scandal. She was labelled a 'turncoat' for her activities by politicians.

Milner had been sent to South Africa to try to improve the situation, but the letters reveal some of the immense logistical problems he faced. Many of the camps were short of supplies because South Africa's railway lines and rolling stock were all taken up with supplying the troops.

One letter from November 1901 showed that officials seemed powerless to stop the rising death rates.
'I thought that we had begun to turn the corner and that after having reached unparalleled heights of mortality in October we should now show a heavy decline. Unfortunately, the figures have risen again alarmingly,' Milner wrote.
The archive has already generated interest from several institutions, including Oxford's Bodleian Library. 'In its entirety this collection is of historical importance. It makes a valuable contribution,' said Ian Shapiro, an expert at Argyle Atkins, which specialises in buying historical documents and is considering bidding.
I think she just likes to complain about things...
 

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ESSA are in a minority ( English speaking ) within a minority ( white South Africans )
As much as is denied I am afraid we ARE different ( I am NOT claiming superiority )
What ESSA need to do is interact in an open and friendly manner as much as possible with Afrikaans speaking South Africans in order to find and encourage the similarities ( there are many ) While STILL keeping their unique South African identity.
There is NOTHING stopping them propagating the same message -- with common interests, with common desires for home, family, job, a decent life and a better future

Whatever Afriforum and other organisations may say or think -- in the end we will ALL be together in the same trench
It is time to get over / past the history and think about the future.

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL !
Your sentiment reminds me of a few poems on Delville Wood

They left our sunny land so bright
They crossed the seas to join the fight ;
In Delville Wood they took their stand,
Briton and Boer - a noble hand
Of glorious Springbok boys.
By ruined homes in Montauban, by trench and sunken road.
All resolute and strong the living stream of khaki flowed.
Through land laid waste and seared and torn by ruthless giant guns
And so that stream South Africa had lent her sturdy sons.

Of Boer and British stock were they, and lean and lithe and tanned.
Yet mingling there as brothers fighting for one Motherland ;
For kith and kindred o’er the sea, for King and Country now
Their hands they joined in fellowship, and took the filial vow.

Sure, no more ''King and Country'' for many of us (English-speakers) but the idea behind what you said made me think of these.
 
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