What do you think about African babies being adopted (Madonna) ???

[GavinMannion]

Seriously, how many of the rich kids in Hollywood do you know have a bad life?

(Madonna doesn't even live in the US)

Obviously this kids going to get a bettter quality of life, he can really study and be educacted properly, he will never go hungry, he will be able to revisit his culture whenever he wants to... He won't die from any weird curable disease. Malaria, TB, flu...

Gothan: If you really believe it is even remotely possible that it will become a fad to abandon your kids you are smoking way to much giggly twig...

 

[xtermin8or]

Nicole Richie brings us to another point. They say South African's are racists for not adopting outside their race, does that mean Americans are also racist for not adopting within their race?

It's probably easier on a kid if you're the same race as him. Less confusion more most his/her childhood.

I really don't think race had anything to do with the Richie's adoption of Nicole, she was allegedly the daughter of one of Lionel's drummers and one of his backstage assistants - they knew her as a baby and raised her as theri own until she was nine, when they formally adopted her, it seems they just fell in love with the little kid and raised her - their mistake, her god-father is Michael Jackson - that could explain alot

Also on the race question - Nicole Richie's biological mother is of the Afro-Latino diaspora - and her father is allegedly Pete Escovedo, so that makes her what ? in terms of race I am not even sure

 

[Syndyre]

And does she have a full belly at night ??? .

Actually she's anorexic I think.

 

[Syndyre]

Personally I think the major problem to start with is people having kids they can't afford to look after or don't want in the first place. That's the major problem that needs to be dealt with.

 

[Tassidar]

Tibby, I think that you are missing something here.

One of the important aspects of this argument is freedom.

A kid who grows up in poverty is severly limited in the choices they can make. They cannot choose whether or not to have a full belly, while a kid in America at least has some choice (the degree to which we can control whether or not we have anorexia is very open to debate, however at least the food is available).

Please also remember that malnutrition also causes lifelong ailments such as weak muscle and bone structure, that will limit the physical ability of the person.

Kids in America may be unhappy and choose to take drugs because of it. Perhaps the reason why kids in Africa don't take those drugs is because they don't have the same choice.

Either way, a wealthy lifestyle, while not necessarily leading to happiness, at least gives greater scope to the person in choosing a path that will lead to happiness.

Now let's consider what happens when the child reaches the age of majority. The child now has two choices: (1) To return to Africa and live like he would have done or (2) to stay in America and to try to build a career. I would hazard a guess that most would choose option (2) because of the greater options afforded (not because of cultural differences which can be overcome).

In summary, while I do not disupte the fact that living in the developed world does not necessarily lead to greater contentment, it does at least afford the opportunity for finding contentment far more than poverty does.

 

[HosstheBoss]

http://www.mg.co.za/zapiro/imageToday.aspx?YearId=2006|MonthId=10|DayId=18

 

[Riq]

Personally I think the major problem to start with is people having kids they can't afford to look after or don't want in the first place. That's the major problem that needs to be dealt with.

It's all about lack of knowledge + basic instinct. People will have sex. It's a fact. Whether they use contraceptives is based on their beliefs, knowledge, etc... Even educated people won't use protection, not because they can afford/want kids, but because it "feels better". And well, to the poorer communities, they can't afford food, forget about the pill.

 

[Syndyre]

It's all about lack of knowledge + basic instinct. People will have sex. It's a fact. Whether they use contraceptives is based on their beliefs, knowledge, etc... Even educated people won't use protection, not because they can afford/want kids, but because it "feels better". And well, to the poorer communities, they can't afford food, forget about the pill.

True I'm just saying there should be programs to support people and help them make the right decisions etc. I'm sure the cost of the pill is infinitely cheaper than raising an unwanted kid in an orphanage.

 

[kilo39]

Jumping in - especially as I know little of the details:

one. The kid wasn't up for adoption - he has a father - he was one of hundreds that flocked to Madonna in the hope of a better life in the "rich west."

two. she didn't adopt an orphan (therefore no real good) - and the whole story of doing good viz. orphans - is publicity hype.

three. she could have adopted 'a real orphan' and done some good - instead of breaking up a family.

(madonna - with her false english accent, false tits, false teeth - she makes me ill)

 

[chiskop]

Yeah, this one does make me feel uncomfortable. I dunno, but if its a genuine desire to make things better then surely the money could be better spent on an orphanage itself?

In this respect I think that Oprah's generosity is more effective - but I guess that depends on what you're trying to effect. Oprah doesn't get to have an orphan to take shopping.

 

[Random717]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6065582.stm

 

[kilo39]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6065582.stm

Points withdrawn -

except: (madonna - with her false english accent, false tits, false teeth - she makes me ill)



Mr Banda said he was forced to give his baby up to the Home of Hope Orphanage in a Malawian village.
His wife died a week after giving birth to David and the couple had two other sons who died in infancy from malaria.
The child arrived in the UK on Tuesday morning
"I was alone with a baby, I had no money. I couldn't buy him milk. That's why I surrendered him to the orphanage," he said.

 

[nocilah]

i honestly do not give a **** about what celebrities in america may or may not do with african orphans.

they are in a world of their own which i can not relate to.

 

[Darth Garth]

"I was alone with a baby, I had no money. I couldn't
buy him milk. That's why I surrendered him to the orphanage," he said.[/I]

Then why not get a bloody job as you have two arms and two legs you moron instead of taking the easy lazy way out by giving away your kid to strangers to raise .

He is a ****ing moron.

 

[supersunbird]

Well, why are people so "patently stupid" to continue having kids if they cant support them?

 

[orin76]

Then why not get a bloody job as you have two arms and two legs you moron instead of taking the easy lazy way out by giving away your kid to strangers to raise .

He is a ****ing moron.

A bit harsh there. Have you tried looking for work in JHB lately? My girlfriend was unemployed for a while and she at least has tertiary qualifications. Finding work is VERY expensive. You need a phone (preferably cellular), you need money to buy newspapers, you need to look presentable (clothes, clean living area), you need access to a fax machine, internet connection or both, you need access to a photo-copier and you need reliable transport (either a car or good public transport). All this to find to find work in Johannesburg with our relatively huge economy. Now imagine being largely uneducated and poor trying to find a job in a smaller economy like Malawi?

Not so easy. Most forumites here probably wouldn't manage.

 

[Creed]

Anyone seen Zapiro's take on this http://www.mg.co.za/zapiro/imagePage.aspx?YearId=2006|MonthId=10|DayId=18 ?

Tibby, you'll love it

 

[bwana]

A bit harsh there. Have you tried looking for work in JHB lately? My girlfriend was unemployed for a while and she at least has tertiary qualifications. Finding work is VERY expensive. You need a phone (preferably cellular), you need money to buy newspapers, you need to look presentable (clothes, clean living area), you need access to a fax machine, internet connection or both, you need access to a photo-copier and you need reliable transport (either a car or good public transport). All this to find to find work in Johannesburg with our relatively huge economy. Now imagine being largely uneducated and poor trying to find a job in a smaller economy like Malawi?

Not so easy. Most forumites here probably wouldn't manage.

I hear what you're saying but I've got a feeling she wasnt looking for any old employment but rather something befitting her qualifications. I doubt she would have had trouble finding a job that might have been - for the lack of a better term - "beneath her".

Most forumites would probably be able to get a job - even if its a crap one.

 

[simple_simon]

i wouldn't mind being adopted by madonna.....only if i was allowed to breast feed. it would be in the contract

 

[bwana]

i wouldn't mind being adopted by madonna.....only if i was allowed to breast feed. it would be in the contract

She's almost 50