What do you think should be done to stop the looting?

noxibox

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People need to decide whether this is orchestrated or random disgruntled poor people. The latter you can intimidate with policing and the military, the former not. The only policing that might be effective against an organised campaign is arresting the ringleaders.

I understand what it means, but people still don’t want calm until Ramaphosa steps down.
Apparently you don't understand since a state of emergency still involves the government. If they've failed you how are they not going to fail you after declaring a state of emergency?
 

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Looting

Looting is the act of stealing, or the taking of goods by force, in the midst of a military, political, or other social crisis, such as war, natural disasters, or rioting
So all that state capture wasn't looting.
 

noxibox

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Shoot to kill, only way to stop it
Or the only way to escalate it. If you're dealing with ordinary opportunists it might stop it. Otherwise at best it won't do anything.

And shoot the people that ignore it.
Let's ignore the fact that it would be illegal to do so for the moment. So you shoot a bunch of people, further anger a group that is organised giving them additional cause to organise around, which then expands their numbers and escalates the conflict. Now what? Shoot some more people and hope to get every single person simultaneously? Change the laws to turn the country into a military dictatorship?

How do governments usually win against such forces, on those rare occasions where they manage to do so? Typically by treating the area as a war zone. That means they bring in the serious weapons. Tough luck for citizens not involved who happen to also live around there. Your suburb nearby? Best move because as likely as not your house will be turned to rubble. They adopt this strategy usually because they just don't care about collateral damage.

Another option is to find out who is behind it, root them out and deal with them, pedantically sticking to the rules and laws. This method is hard work and lacks the instant gratification of running around shooting anything that moves.
 

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We will play a little game.
Spray looter with a Molotov cocktail as they enter the property. Have big braai's at the entrance.
 

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What do you think should be done to stop the looting?
I think more forces from the army should be put in place and they should also be allowed to shoot they should act independent to the police. One questions why were there not more water cannons out there. Why did the police just stand by and not shoot. Instead of maybe having lost 10 people to shooting we now are probably going to have 100s if not 1000s dying of hunger and covid. The hospitals in KLM are running out of food also.
 

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It's up to the gorvement to pay people like before. The masses are hungry and it all shows on the videos. Send more troops to stabilize the situation.police won't manage
 

Zecret

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It's up to the gorvement to pay people like before. The masses are hungry and it all shows on the videos. Send more troops to stabilize the situation.police won't manage
I own a spaza ana now I have nothing. Check me on Facebook Nyoni pita pocket. How do I survive from here??
 

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My opinion is, these thugs gave up their basic rights the moment they threw the first brick and as such should they shoot at police or refrain from illegal activities when instructed to do so then live ammunition should be rained down upon them. Our "peaceful" demonstrations are no longer peaceful and getting worse as this current situation displays
 

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Except SA is not fully communist yet.... this is part of the NDR. In a fully communist country the police would have been militarized and the tanks would roll in.
A fully communist country would have a minimal state, so the above is unlikely.

Remember that socialism is progressive
Socialism, like capitalism, is a broad and pretty general term. Neither has any definitive manifesto written by an individual who invented the concept. Both go back thousands of years.

and communism never stops being built.... conveniently so.
Which would make it no different to the rest of what humanity does.

It will be interesting to see how many of our regular gun control nuts will still be in favour of it when all is said and done for example..... communists especially believe in no private gun ownership.
Karl Marx said “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

Also explains why so many pretend communists might be opposed to the people owning guns. The people might decide to attempt to overthrow the government and implement communism. That's the last thing a pretend communist would want.
 

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White government, but Africa for Africans remember?

Interesting that old PW even predicted this ****. How did he know?
Even Ian Smith, the then Rhodesian prime minister predicted this.
This was said to me directly by him in a conversation we had many years ago.
 
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