What does it cost to set up and run a Forum site like Mybroadband?

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Can anyone provide estimates of what it costs to set up and maintain a 'forum site'? A forum similar to Mybroadband serving a specific community (this is not competition to mybroadband!). Can one buy a standard template? What would hosting cost? What other significant costs to consider?
 

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It just depends on the size of the DB really.


I wonder if RPM will disclose that info

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Can anyone provide estimates of what it costs to set up and maintain a 'forum site'? A forum similar to Mybroadband serving a specific community (this is not competition to mybroadband!). Can one buy a standard template? What would hosting cost? What other significant costs to consider?
Use Wix, they have free version and some paid options which give you a custom web address and so on.

You will have to create a website first while the forum can be added from the app market
 

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Can anyone provide estimates of what it costs to set up and maintain a 'forum site'? A forum similar to Mybroadband serving a specific community (this is not competition to mybroadband!). Can one buy a standard template? What would hosting cost? What other significant costs to consider?

The forum system is free. Hosting costs will depend on how the website grows.
PM for more info.
 

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Use Wix, they have free version and some paid options which give you a custom web address and so on.

You will have to create a website first while the forum can be added from the app market

That's going to be one bad site.
MyBB is moving to https://xenforo.com/
You could also use something like BBPress (WP based): https://bbpress.org/.

The site cost would depend a lot on the amount of users/content that is generated as well.
Biggest step to overcome is to get people to actually use it.
 

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Until about ten years ago I had a forum for our large extended family. Used vBulletin on a private domain hosted by Hetzner. The only real costs are hosting and admin overhead maintaining the system. To size those you need to provide more info on estimated number of users, whether uploads are permitted, etc, etc ... All depends on the length of string.
 

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That's going to be one bad site.
MyBB is moving to https://xenforo.com/
You could also use something like BBPress (WP based): https://bbpress.org/.

The site cost would depend a lot on the amount of users/content that is generated as well.
Biggest step to overcome is to get people to actually use it.
Where is the thread on MyBB's plans to switch forum software, and why the choice of xenforo; really hope this is not for Facebook integration, and similar garbage.

As for forums options; strange nobody has suggest Discourse it's afterall open source, and in use by a number of big customers: https://github.com/discourse/discourse
 

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How big, the forum software is not expensive, hosting is.
 

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[)roi(];21934641 said:
As for forums options; strange nobody has suggest Discourse it's afterall open source, and in use by a number of big customers: https://github.com/discourse/discourse

Discourse is ****ing terrible; and it was mentioned several times in the thread about migration to new software.

If you doubt my opinion, try this thread - in a forum of extremely competent developers - who beta tested Discourse and found both the quality of the software and Jeff Atwood (and his dev team) exceptionally poor.

Short story: it is riddled with bugs and Atwood - instead of actually listening to suggestions and bug fixes - summarily banned the users of that forum from the Discourse support forum en masse, leaving many bugs as "features" and alienating a community who were trying to actually help him and his *** product.
 
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[)roi(]

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Discourse is ****ing terrible; and it was mentioned several times in the thread about migration to new software.

If you doubt my opinion, try this thread - in a forum of extremely competent developers - who beta tested Discourse and found both the quality of the software and Jeff Atwood (and his dev team) exceptionally poor.

Short story: it is riddled with bugs and Atwood - instead of actually listening to suggestions and bug fixes - summarily banned the users of that forum from the Discourse support forum en masse, leaving many bugs as "features" and alienating a community who were trying to actually help him and his *** product.
Beg to differ. I'm an active member of both Mosaic's Rust and Apple's Swift forums and they use Discourse.

Keep in mind that all codebases are full of bugs and many have big architecture issues that need addressing, plus nobody gets it right the first time. Opensource projects especially the popular ones will always have some contention between the goals of the core team and contributors; but that alone doesn't make something crap. IMO compared to MyBB and the xenforo forums I've experienced its much easier to use.

Ps. It may surprise you that this forum also has competent developers, so that little "fact" morsel is merely more opinion.
 

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[)roi(];21935047 said:
Ps. It may surprise you that this forum also has competent developers, so that little "fact" morsel is merely more opinion.

TDWTF has a far higher proportion of far more skilled devs than MyBB (yourself and a few others excepted).
 

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Forum to discuss what?

myBB covers everything except sex related issues.
 

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TDWTF has a far higher proportion of far more skilled devs than MyBB (yourself and a few others excepted).
...and what has that got to do with reality. Every codebase is littered with bugs, architectural issues, and discontented developers; that alone is not an absolute proof of anything. Things can be fixed, because no software solution is cast in stone. Forums are anyway far simpler to change than language projects because fixing the plumbing won't break anybody's codebase.

Stop trying to overplay your opinion.
Suggest you visit a few of the opensource languages threads; C#, Rust, Swift, Kotlin, ... You'll soon see they're full of much the same contention and discord, except that unlike a opensource forum project they actually have to be concerned about backward compatibility.

Ps. Care to explain this (reference is your link)
The ultra-short version is, there was a lot of trolling and complaining about Discourse here, and it ended with mass ban from TDWTF users from Discourse support forum.
 
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[)roi(];21935165 said:
...and what has that got to do with reality. Every codebase is littered with bugs, architectural issues, and discontented developers; that alone is not an absolute proof of anything. Things can be fixed, because no software solution is cast in stone. Forums are anyway far simpler to change than language projects because fixing the plumbing won't break anybody's codebase.

Stop trying to overplay your opinion.
Suggest you visit a few of the opensource languages threads; C#, Rust, Swift, Kotlin, ... You'll soon see they're full of much the same contention and discord, except that unlike a opensource forum project they actually have to be concerned about backward compatibility.

Ps. Care to explain this (reference is your link)

The ultra short version is correct. When given a piece of software to break, and indeed asked to try to break it.... a bunch of nerds WILL try to break it. Conversation on TDWTF was certainly trolling and complaining - but also finding bugs, including bugs that allowed random people to become admin. Bugs that allowed people to access the DB. Bugs that allowed all sorts of exploits.

A trivial example is CSS XSS (which TDWTF mostly used to abuse the Font Awesome class "fa-spin" for ****s and giggles); but JS XSS was also possible, both by simply appropriately formatting input in poorly-sanitized text areas . That **** is website security 101, and Discourse at it failed from the start.

Atwood's indifference to suggestions angered the community, which led to further attempts to exploit the software. And they succeeded, more and more bugs were found. In turn Atwood ignored the bugs or claimed them to be features. It is fundamentally broken software, and worse, a fundamentally broken dev / support team

In every case, those who chose to report the bugs on a completely different site with a completely different purpose, ie the Discourse support forum did so in a sensible, polite manner, but even so, all got banned.
 
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The ultra short version is correct. When given a piece of software to break, and indeed asked to try to break it.... a bunch of nerds WILL try to break it. Conversation on TDWTF was certainly trolling and complaining - but also finding bugs, including bugs that allowed random people to become admin. Bugs that allowed people to access the DB. Bugs that allowed all sorts of exploits.

A trivial example is CSS XSS (which TDWTF mostly used to abuse the Font Awesome class "fa-spin" for ****s and giggles); but JS XSS was also possible, both by simply appropriately formatting input in poorly-sanitized text areas . That **** is website security 101, and Discourse at it failed from the start.

Atwood's indifference to suggestions angered the community, which led to further attempts to exploit the software. And they succeeded, more and more bugs were found. In turn Atwood ignored the bugs or claimed them to be features. It is fundamentally broken software, and worse, a fundamentally broken dev / support team

In every case, those who chose to report the bugs on a completely different site with a completely different purpose, ie the Discourse support forum did so in a sensible, polite manner, but even so, all got banned.
There's a vast difference between Trolling and constructive feedback. Similarly a vast difference between so-called "nerds" and real competent developers. No developer is ever going to be so petty when it comes to a new codebase.

Plus you seem to just overlook that Jeff Atwood is a co-founder of stackoverflow -- i.e. what really prevents discourse from becoming a success (that time and effort cannot resolve), and let's not overlook the still active customer base.

I use it daily for both:
Certainly never given me any major issues, and performance is on par or better than MyBB.
 
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I thought I'd explained: the trolling occurred on TDWTF itself. The users were trolling each other, as well as the Discourse team. It's part of the culture. It's "4chan" for experienced developers. Atwood knew this when he suggested they beta test it.

Previously that site ran some other **** forum software, and the nerds hacked that as much as they could. E.g. Some guy managed to inject an entire "post" into his signature, so every time he made a post it was immediately followed by a "post" that said "I agree with whatever the previous poster said". There's a culture of anarchy, but these guys are devs. They actually give a **** about code being done right.

Asking this group to beta test shoddy software is not going to end well for the shoddy software engineers.

Atwood may have been a co-founder of stackoverflow - a site I use daily, and have great respect for - but that doesnt make him a good developer, and judging from his reaction to constructive criticism on his own Discourse support site (and to be honest, just plain criticism on TDWTF) he's a poor team leader and a poor developer.

If he had taken the robust criticism from TDWTF with a pinch of salt and merely registered the actual bug reports of real bugs on the Discourse support forum made by people trying to help improve his software I'd have a better opinion of him and his team.

But it was his choice to beta test in a community who are famous for being difficult and for hacking ****. And when his **** got hacked he threw his toys.

Discourse is **** and it will always be **** until the Dev team accept constructive criticism instead of seeing it as an attack on themselves.
 
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[)roi(]

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I thought I'd explained: the trolling occurred on TDWTF itself. The users were trolling each other, as well as the Discourse team. It's part of the culture. It's "4chan" for experienced developers. Atwood knew this when he suggested they beta test it.
Enough said... ban was appropriate.

Again stop over stressing your opinion it only reveals your ignorance wrt development and open source projects.
 

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Can anyone provide estimates of what it costs to set up and maintain a 'forum site'? A forum similar to Mybroadband serving a specific community (this is not competition to mybroadband!). Can one buy a standard template? What would hosting cost? What other significant costs to consider?

Proboards dos it for free.
 
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