What exactly is meant by "transformation"

[VertigoZA]

I hear this word slung around a lot, but I would like to know what exactly this means?

Transform what, and transform "it" from where to where?

Thanks,

 

[Albereth]

It means to take all the wealth from all of one part of the population and to give it to a few of another part of the population. Pointing out the obvious flaws in this policy is known as being counter-revolutionary.

 

[CHURCHILL]

Transformation (trans-for-mash-ion)

Regardless of skill/qualifications or expertise and or lack thereof, one will take the position over another who has applicable skill level.

 

[stoke]

Convert what is and was working into something that is failing and appointing blame where inappropriate.

 

[xrapidx]

Transformation = an word used to entice more votes.

 

[Jase]

It means to take all the wealth from all of one part of the population and to give it to a few of another part of the population. Pointing out the obvious flaws in this policy is known as being counter-revolutionary.

Spot on!

 

[brixton tower]

It means to take all the wealth from all of one part of the population and to give it to a few of another part of the population. Pointing out the obvious flaws in this policy is known as being counter-revolutionary.

Apart from the fact that you're obviously avoiding the real issues...do you have any alternatives for SA's huge disparities? I take it the government should sit back and wait for things to happen?

 

[xrapidx]

Apart from the fact that you're obviously avoiding the real issues...do you have any alternatives for SA's huge disparities? I take it the government should sit back and wait for things to happen?

You mean the government would actually be able to do something besides taking from the wealthy... and giving to themselves?

 

[orin76]

Apart from the fact that you're obviously avoiding the real issues...do you have any alternatives for SA's huge disparities? I take it the government should sit back and wait for things to happen?

Firstly, transformation targets should be decided by sector based on qualification statistics. If universities are only producing 100 non-white engineers per year, don't set your AA targets at 65% for engineering firms.

Secondly, get more people educated so they can compete on equal footing with their priveleged counterparts.

 

[Keeper]

to shapeshift from a truck/helicopter/F16 into a robot, in some cool fashion.

also see: Transformer

 

[Albereth]

Apart from the fact that you're obviously avoiding the real issues...do you have any alternatives for SA's huge disparities? I take it the government should sit back and wait for things to happen?

Yep, I do. The game being played by the current mob is zero-sum. Moving money from one bank account to another doesn't add value (unless you are the bank). What is needed is an investment in education and those things that will get people with skills to remain here (law enforcement and working infrastructure). No social grants - sorry, go off somewhere and die quietly, we need the oxygen.

You want to transform ownership - work hard, save money and buy shares. No deals.

Want a government deal? - BEE company, you go and find a big brother whitey company to be prime contractor. He makes more money becuase he brings more to the table - but you'll learn and grow your own skills. Next time, maybe you don't need him. I am sick and tired of government wasting money on people who don't deliver. Look at today's Star for a little story about the education department.

Build schools. Incentivise farmers to build schools. And run a curriculum that meets the needs of those communities. Don't drag everyone down to the same lowest common denominator. If maths isn't important for farm labourers, then don't give them maths, give them advanced cow milking or whatever it is that they need. And then run a programme that scouts for talent. Find a gifted child - give him a bursary to attend something like the school that Oprah got going. We need to find the brightest and the best no matter where they come from.

Give a tax break to families that live together. The families must prove that mother and father are bringing up the kids together.

Get politics out of the town councils. Heck, get it out of the civil service. You aren't there for a political view - you are there to do a job and make sure that things work.

How's that for starters? Wouldn't be popular but I'd be sorting the place out, not making friends.

 

[LCBXX]

The quickest way to root out the BS from the true facts is through public or live debates. There a politician will make or break themselves.

But alas, we won't ever see that in this lekker ou country. It'll be a tough pill to swallow for the ANC, realising JZ is dumber than Sarah Palin.

 

[Slootvreter]

Build schools.

...and don't burn them down or vandalize them if you're throwing a hissy fit about something you don't like in the curriculum or exam timetable.

 

[brixton tower]

Yep, I do. The game being played by the current mob is zero-sum. Moving money from one bank account to another doesn't add value (unless you are the bank). What is needed is an investment in education and those things that will get people with skills to remain here (law enforcement and working infrastructure). No social grants - sorry, go off somewhere and die quietly, we need the oxygen.

I agree mostly with this first part of your responsive, I also don't like phony BEE deals that smack more of crony capitalism than self enterprise. But then you have to spoil it by suggesting that we scrap social grants which I think is one of the reasons we don't have more people begging at robots.

You want to transform ownership - work hard, save money and buy shares. No deals.

Like the Afrikaners did in 1930s South Africa. Seems like the collective memory is all too short. Afrikaners got a leg up from the Nationalist because they (rightly) realised that they would forever be held captive to a group of people who did not consider South Africa as their home.

Want a government deal? - BEE company, you go and find a big brother whitey company to be prime contractor. He makes more money becuase he brings more to the table - but you'll learn and grow your own skills. Next time, maybe you don't need him. I am sick and tired of government wasting money on people who don't deliver. Look at today's Star for a little story about the education department.

And hopefully for the likes of you there'll never be a "next time".

Build schools. Incentivise farmers to build schools. And run a curriculum that meets the needs of those communities. Don't drag everyone down to the same lowest common denominator. If maths isn't important for farm labourers, then don't give them maths, give them advanced cow milking or whatever it is that they need. And then run a programme that scouts for talent. Find a gifted child - give him a bursary to attend something like the school that Oprah got going. We need to find the brightest and the best no matter where they come from.

Damn, this sounds just like Bantu Education except the bit at the end.

Give a tax break to families that live together. The families must prove that mother and father are bringing up the kids together.

ROLMAO...and what if daddy is abusive towards mommy, should they stay together for the sake of a tax break. Please, even in America under Dubya this idea would go nowhere.

Get politics out of the town councils. Heck, get it out of the civil service. You aren't there for a political view - you are there to do a job and make sure that things work.

Don't have beef with you on this one.

How's that for starters? Wouldn't be popular but I'd be sorting the place out, not making friends.

You're definitely on the money there.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Yep, I do. The game being played by the current mob is zero-sum. Moving money from one bank account to another doesn't add value (unless you are the bank). What is needed is an investment in education and those things that will get people with skills to remain here (law enforcement and working infrastructure). No social grants - sorry, go off somewhere and die quietly, we need the oxygen.

You want to transform ownership - work hard, save money and buy shares. No deals.

Want a government deal? - BEE company, you go and find a big brother whitey company to be prime contractor. He makes more money becuase he brings more to the table - but you'll learn and grow your own skills. Next time, maybe you don't need him. I am sick and tired of government wasting money on people who don't deliver. Look at today's Star for a little story about the education department.

Build schools. Incentivise farmers to build schools. And run a curriculum that meets the needs of those communities. Don't drag everyone down to the same lowest common denominator. If maths isn't important for farm labourers, then don't give them maths, give them advanced cow milking or whatever it is that they need. And then run a programme that scouts for talent. Find a gifted child - give him a bursary to attend something like the school that Oprah got going. We need to find the brightest and the best no matter where they come from.

Give a tax break to families that live together. The families must prove that mother and father are bringing up the kids together.

Get politics out of the town councils. Heck, get it out of the civil service. You aren't there for a political view - you are there to do a job and make sure that things work.

How's that for starters? Wouldn't be popular but I'd be sorting the place out, not making friends.

What you are discussing here is not transformation it is: empowerment.

True empowerment is something that the current regime will never allow as it would create a true middle class with middle class concerns and intellects.... who would never vote for them.

Bottom line: when your current lifestyle (income) depends on the current regime and their policies - you are not free you are trapped and that is the hideous evil of the politics in this country.

...best not to think about it really.

 

[VertigoZA]

right... so we have "Empowerment" and "Transformation"

Should these 2 not be one and the same thing, or at least a progression of one another?

 

[stoke]

I like Albereth's answer. Every word of it.
Brixton's rebuttals are, depending on which ones you read, either based in the past or powered by unrealistic expectations.

 

[grayston]

Apart from the fact that you're obviously avoiding the real issues...do you have any alternatives for SA's huge disparities? I take it the government should sit back and wait for things to happen?

Ooo! Ooo! I've got one! It's dead easy!

How To Make Your Country A Happier, Safer Place For Everyone Who Lives In It:
Improve the education system.

And, in case you blinked and missed it, here it is again:
Improve the education system.

Clever people can earn their own money.

(Unfortunately, clever people don't vote for morally-defunct liberation parties, so good luck getting the ANC to do something about that...)

 

[JungleBoy]

Ooo! Ooo! I've got one! It's dead easy!

How To Make Your Country A Happier, Safer Place For Everyone Who Lives In It:
Improve the education system.

And, in case you blinked and missed it, here it is again:
Improve the education system.

Clever people can earn their own money.

(Unfortunately, clever people don't vote for morally-defunct liberation parties, so good luck getting the ANC to do something about that...)

Improving the education system will not achieve much unless the work place is transformed into an equal opportunities society.
Inequalities in the work place mean that dumb people are hogging jobs that could be had by clever people.
Don't ever think that cronyism is only happening in gvt, cause it happens in the private sector as well...

 

[CyraxHB]

I wonder why the government is so concerned about transferring wealth from one party to another instead of putting policies in place to create wealth for those who don't have it.