what is something, what is nothing

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Space is the boundless three-dimensional extent in which objects and events have relative position and direction. Physical space is often conceived in three linear dimensions, although modern physicists usually consider it, with time, to be part of a boundless four-dimensional continuum known as spacetime.


This is fairly well known, a quick Google will give you the answers :)
The "Big Bang" and "Darwinian Evolution" theories are so fairly well known that they can be considered as physical laws.
They are so fairly well known that they can be considered as fairly well
known facts and not fairly well known theories.

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The "Big Bang" and "Darwinian Evolution" theories are so fairly well known that they can be considered as physical laws.
They are so fairly well known that they can be considered as fairly well
known facts and not fairly well known theories.

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Well thanks. You didn't have to, but thanks :p It's actually very kind of you to point out that it is indeed fact. The hot dense early universe = fact. Evolution = best possible theory for the explanation of life on Earth. Accepted by 97% of scientists. Personally, I call evolution a fact, because there's no denying it. So, unless you have a better explanation... goodluck.
 

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Well thanks. You didn't have to, but thanks :p It's actually very kind of you to point out that it is indeed fact. The hot dense early universe = fact. Evolution = best possible theory for the explanation of life on Earth. Accepted by 97% of scientists. Personally, I call evolution a fact, because there's no denying it. So, unless you have a better explanation... goodluck.
Was being sarcastic.
 

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Have we reached consensus now? Do we all agree there is no such thing as "nothing" - We don't even know what "absence of everything" is, seeing as how nobody can claim to know what "everything" is?

IMO - There was always something, never nothing.
 

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if you accept there was always something

what scientists also observe is that everything in the universe is dependent on something else for its existence
 

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you are dependent at the very least on your parents for your existence, you did not always exist

moreover, the Sun did not always exist, the planets did not always exist, and so on and so on

everything we observe required something else for it to exist
 
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We will never get anywhere if we keep thinking "what came before that and what came before that". At some point, we will have to accept that there was always "something" there. What that something was\is, is up for discussion.
 

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We will never get anywhere if we keep thinking "what came before that and what came before that".
just to confirm, is this your opinion or that of a credible academic/scientist/philosopher etc

At some point, we will have to accept that there was always "something" there. What that something was\is, is up for discussion.
we have already accepted there was always something
 

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you are dependent at the very least on your parents for your existence, you did not always exist

moreover, the Sun did not always exist, the planets did not always exist, and so on and so on

everything we observe required something else for it to exist
It's possible, yes.

We will never get anywhere if we keep thinking "what came before that and what came before that". At some point, we will have to accept that there was always "something" there. What that something was\is, is up for discussion.
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if something has always existed, and everything we observe requires something else for it to exist, then I can suggest that we can't have an infinite regress of dependent things, at someone point we have to reach something that is independent of all things
Hence God.
 

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if something has always existed, and everything we observe requires something else for it to exist, then I can suggest that we can't have an infinite regress of dependent things, at someone point we have to reach something that is independent of all things
The unfortunate thing is that we may never know what happened before the big bang or inflation. The best we can do currently is, "we don't know". Any claim to anything else will require some evidence. The most I can grant is that the universe was not in existence, and then it was. There's nothing else that can really be granted after this point.

Hence God.
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The unfortunate thing is that we may never know what happened before the big bang or inflation. The best we can do currently is, "we don't know". Any claim to anything else will require some evidence. The most I can grant is that the universe was not in existence, and then it was. There's nothing else that can really be granted after this point.
this is the philosophical section, we don't need evidence to accept something to be true, a rational argument is sufficient as proof
 

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this is the philosophical section, we don't need evidence to accept something to be true, a rational argument is sufficient as proof
Fair enough. If you have a good enough reason to believe something, then that's fine too.
 
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