What is the most expensive Fibre package you've seen in 2019? Who has the worst price?

[KleinBoontjie]

What is the worst price you've seen in 2019? How about R11 500 for 50Mbps? Is that a fair price for that speed?

 

[Monka]

What is the worst price you've seen in 2019? How about R11 500 for 50Mbps? Is that a fair price for that speed?

That has to be a business fibre and it would depend on area you in because guys like Liquid Telecom are available in remote areas but they will charge you over and above that and once-off set up fee.

 

[KleinBoontjie]

That has to be a business fibre and it would depend on area you in because guys like Liquid Telecom are available in remote areas but they will charge you over and above that and once-off set up fee.

Nope, it's home fibre. LINK

 

[KleinBoontjie]

I noticed now, Frogfoot has updated their coverage map. My neighborhood now shows "planned" (didn't show last month). Who here has experience in their work? How long does it usually take, for them, to get from "planned" to "Work in progress".

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

So called Business Fiber is a massive rip off....they have you by the balls and they know it. 10 x the price of Home Internet...

 

[Genisys]

So called Business Fiber is a massive rip off....they have you by the balls and they know it. 10 x the price of Home Internet...

Not a rip off. Lets go down the list of things that it does that home fibre doesn't:

1. Dedicated low contention, either 5:1 or 1:1 in most cases
2. Direct link to Data centres in some instances
3. Guaranteed speeds
4. SLA agreements to resolve outages quicker than 36 hours
5. SLA agreements to enforce delivery of what the customer pays for (Speed etc)
6. Separate network and dedicated circuits to various exchange points
7. Redundancy
8. Almost always Active Ethernet

 

[Rickster]

I few years back on this forum I posted a screenshot for a enterprise fibre package, If I can recall it was a 10Gig link at a price of R630,000 per month.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Not a rip off. Lets go down the list of things that it does that home fibre doesn't:

1. Dedicated low contention, either 5:1 or 1:1 in most cases
2. Direct link to Data centres in some instances
3. Guaranteed speeds
4. SLA agreements to resolve outages quicker than 36 hours
5. SLA agreements to enforce delivery of what the customer pays for (Speed etc)
6. Separate network and dedicated circuits to various exchange points
7. Redundancy
8. Almost always Active Ethernet

All those things that consumers expect from their consumer grade package

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Not a rip off. Lets go down the list of things that it does that home fibre doesn't:

1. Dedicated low contention, either 5:1 or 1:1 in most cases
2. Direct link to Data centres in some instances
3. Guaranteed speeds
4. SLA agreements to resolve outages quicker than 36 hours
5. SLA agreements to enforce delivery of what the customer pays for (Speed etc)
6. Separate network and dedicated circuits to various exchange points
7. Redundancy
8. Almost always Active Ethernet

1. Don't need 1:1 and 5:1 you get with Home Fibre anyway.
2. Some instances?
3. No speeds are guaranteed...ever.
4. Fiber's inherent stability vs copper leads to extremely rare outages.
5. See point 3. Business Fiber's "SLA's" are very vague at best anyway.
6. Nope
7. Nope
8. ?

 

[Genisys]

1. Don't need 1:1 and 5:1 you get with Home Fibre anyway.
2. Some instances?
3. No speeds are guaranteed...ever.
4. Fiber's inherent stability vs copper leads to extremely rare outages.
5. See point 3. Business Fiber's "SLA's" are very vague at best anyway.
6. Nope
7. Nope
8. ?

1. Business users, don't change the scope. GPON is 64:1 contention, business users don't have to deal with that. Even Vumatel is rolling out more and more GPON infrastructure.
2. I don't sell fibre, I go by the info I've been given, not all networks are set up the same.
3. SLA's are enforced, thus speeds are guaranteed, thus the low contention ratios, most cases 1:1 contention ratio.
4. Even if outages are rare it still occurs, companies pay big money to make sure it gets resolved in less than 36 hours, companies bleed money if their internet goes down, unlike home users.
5. Even if its vague its enforceable.
6. Business fibre and home fibre is never ran on the same infrastructure (minus the DFA links).
7. If the company doesn't have any redundancy its the companies own fault.
8. Why the confusion? Most new FTTH installs in areas is GPON, not AE. AE is a big advantage to many companies, especially the part of it being ran as a single strand of fibre to the exchange point and possibly from there to the ISP network. FTTB will likely also make it easier to get 10Gbit links if needed as the strand is dedicated from the premises to the DFA exchange point.

 

[TedLasso]

Not a rip off. Lets go down the list of things that it does that home fibre doesn't:

1. Dedicated low contention, either 5:1 or 1:1 in most cases
2. Direct link to Data centres in some instances
3. Guaranteed speeds
4. SLA agreements to resolve outages quicker than 36 hours
5. SLA agreements to enforce delivery of what the customer pays for (Speed etc)
6. Separate network and dedicated circuits to various exchange points
7. Redundancy
8. Almost always Active Ethernet

Yup, I pay 12k for 150mbps bus fibre and the SLA for MTTR is 4 hours. It's been rock solid for the 5 years we have it

 

[Willie Trombone]

Yup, I pay 12k for 150mbps bus fibre and the SLA for MTTR is 4 hours. It's been rock solid for the 5 years we have it

1mbps diginet back in the day... And that didn't bring internet necessarily.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

1. Business users, don't change the scope. GPON is 64:1 contention, business users don't have to deal with that. Even Vumatel is rolling out more and more GPON infrastructure.
2. I don't sell fibre, I go by the info I've been given, not all networks are set up the same.
3. SLA's are enforced, thus speeds are guaranteed, thus the low contention ratios, most cases 1:1 contention ratio.
4. Even if outages are rare it still occurs, companies pay big money to make sure it gets resolved in less than 36 hours, companies bleed money if their internet goes down, unlike home users.
5. Even if its vague its enforceable.
6. Business fibre and home fibre is never ran on the same infrastructure (minus the DFA links).
7. If the company doesn't have any redundancy its the companies own fault.
8. Why the confusion? Most new FTTH installs in areas is GPON, not AE. AE is a big advantage to many companies, especially the part of it being ran as a single strand of fibre to the exchange point and possibly from there to the ISP network. FTTB will likely also make it easier to get 10Gbit links if needed as the strand is dedicated from the premises to the DFA exchange point.

I am talking from a business viewpoint, not as a home user.

I at least want the option to choose my solution. My business do not need ANY of these business Fiber "advantages" as listed above.

It is forced upon me...that's my point.

 

[ThatOtherDude]

1. Business users, don't change the scope. GPON is 64:1 contention, business users don't have to deal with that. Even Vumatel is rolling out more and more GPON infrastructure.
2. I don't sell fibre, I go by the info I've been given, not all networks are set up the same.
3. SLA's are enforced, thus speeds are guaranteed, thus the low contention ratios, most cases 1:1 contention ratio.
4. Even if outages are rare it still occurs, companies pay big money to make sure it gets resolved in less than 36 hours, companies bleed money if their internet goes down, unlike home users.
5. Even if its vague its enforceable.
6. Business fibre and home fibre is never ran on the same infrastructure (minus the DFA links).
7. If the company doesn't have any redundancy its the companies own fault.
8. Why the confusion? Most new FTTH installs in areas is GPON, not AE. AE is a big advantage to many companies, especially the part of it being ran as a single strand of fibre to the exchange point and possibly from there to the ISP network. FTTB will likely also make it easier to get 10Gbit links if needed as the strand is dedicated from the premises to the DFA exchange point.

There is no fixed "contention ratio" on GPON.

Sound like you're refering to the 64-way split ratio?

split ratio & contention ratio = not the thing

 

[Genisys]

There is no fixed "contention ratio" on GPON.

Sound like you're refering to the 64-way split ratio?

split ratio & contention ratio = not the thing

You are right, I'm horribly mistaken and wrong. The contention ratio goes well past that of an OLT, contention goes up to the peering point, most networks have multiple 10Gbit ports at the peering point so it becomes a bit more than the 64:1 I'm mentioning if the network isn't managed properly. We will never see the the true contention ratios of networks, but we know most FTTB connections won't be set up like home connections are set up, in almost all instances there is a true contention ratio of 1:1 on FTTB, and it will probably also allow a company to advertise their own IP space and ASN's.

 

[ld13]

1mbps diginet back in the day... And that didn't bring internet necessarily.

Jikes. The bill for that must've been crazy. Our high school had 1 x 64kbps diginet line afaik shared between everyone. Downloads were blocked for everyone's sake. The lines went for roughly R2000 per link, without data!

What is the worst price you've seen in 2019? How about R11 500 for 50Mbps? Is that a fair price for that speed?

That is a crazy price, especially for a home service. Even FTTB services go as low as R650 these days.

 

[TedLasso]

Jikes. The bill for that must've been crazy. Our high school had 1 x 64kbps diginet line afaik shared between everyone. Downloads were blocked for everyone's sake. The lines went for roughly R2000 per link, without data!



That is a crazy price, especially for a home service. Even FTTB services go as low as R650 these days.

Nah, nothing beats me coming back to SA in 2014.doing an audit of all comm links at my place of work and finding that we were paying 25k a month for a 2mbps Telkom diginet internet link. Needless to say switched to other provider (wireless) in two months and got the 50mbps service half the price of that 2mbps link.

 

[Crowley]

I am talking from a business viewpoint, not as a home user.

I at least want the option to choose my solution. My business do not need ANY of these business Fiber "advantages" as listed above.

It is forced upon me...that's my point.

Which outings wouldn't you choose as a business user?

Besides the price, obviously.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Even FTTB services go as low as R650 these days.

I'd love to see some of these packages?

 

[ld13]

I'd love to see some of these packages?

Vodacom business symmetrical fibre, uncapped* 24month contract

05mbps R 799 *400gb
10mbps R 649 *200gb (includes installation)
10mbps R 999 *600gb
20mbps R 899 *500gb
20mbps R1199 *1000gb
50mbps R1199 *1000gb
50mbps R1599 *1600gb
100mbps R1599 *2000gb
100mbps R1899 *3000gb
*Fup policy: Speeds drop down to 15% once cap is reached

Supposedly includes installation too (on some plans) - have not gotten clarity what those plans are, other than the R649 plan. Yes it is only 200gb at R649, but that should be enough for a small business. Price wise, no one else even comes close.

Edit: Found some corroborating evidence online: https://www.vodacombusiness.co.za/cs/groups/public/documents/document/vodacom_fibre_brochure.pdf