What will be the price 8ta's LTE 50GB per month when launched in April 2013?

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Based on the short time that I have had to try it, 8ta's LTE is going to shake up the broadband market. They are going to great lengths to ensure that their installations/service are supported by technical staff and they are in general focused on attention to detail.

Post launch of LTE by 8ta, MTN, Cell-C and Voda; SA will be awash in bandwidth and the cost per Gig is expected to be at never-before seen ultra low prices.

What will the price be for the 8ta's current 50GB per month LTE offering (currently on trial)?

Will there be a SIM only pre-paid option?

Is it a coincidence that 8ta's 60GB+60GB offering also expires in March 2013?
 

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Heard a rumour of R700 to R749 per month. I agree, cannot wait for full commercial launch and coverage at my house because it is very good at my office where I am testing it.
 

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8ta set to leapfrog the competition?..and become THE broadband network?

Given that all the mobile operators have built or building LTE networks; they all will have super-fast capacity networks that will lie largely idle if the pricing structure remains largely the same.

At say, R700 per month, the price per GB would be almost the same as 8ta's Go Big (60+60) prepaid package at about R14/GB. However, R700 per month would be out of reach for many people. This price of the device cost would need to be included as well. This would not be a game changer that would entice subscribers and lead to 8ta's network being underutilised. A game changer is what 8ta and the country needs!

8ta is making investments in people, support and areas targeted for LTE, which suggests that the strategy is to target the mass market. It is behaving in a manner that is different to its parent; Telkom.

Given that the Go Big 'promotion' expires at the same time as the LTE trial ends; a true game changer would be pricing that is closer to the Go Big promotion. This promotion will also have many people coming to the end or just completed their 12 month contracts.

Yes; excluding device costs and on a prepaid basis: R1800 for 50GB per month for 12 months!

It may sound ridiculous now but given the coming and growing capacity of the bandwidth that lies unused the only way for the networks to earn revenue is to discount it and lock subscriber in.

This is what SA needs to get broadband to the masses and most businesses connected to the internet, most of whom don't have a landline too.
 

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we need game changers like R150 for 5 gigs which expires over 3 months. or 8ta uncapped locked at a speed of 2mbps only for around R400pm . we need more small packages to cater for those that actually dont need the 50 gigs big etc . 50 gigs on a 7mbps speed is nothing , will be gone in a few days !
 

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8ta LTE Launch Pricing Speculation

It is axiomatic that having faster and faster speeds without offering large data bundles is silly. Hence the reason behind 8ta's 50GB per month trial.

8ta's real competitor is Cell-C and they launched their LTE promotional offer for R2999 that includes the following:

  1. A Huawei E3276 LTE dongle
  2. A LTE enabled SIM card PLUS
  3. A Giga 100 package - with 100GB data valid for 365 days

The biggest hurdle for large scale LTE take-up is going to be the cost of the modem followed by the cost of the data bundles. The Huawei E3276 LTE dongle retails in SA for R2999. Which is what Cell-C is charging for the whole package.

It can't be true that Cell-C is running a loss on this deal; the data bundle cost to the public is dependent on what they paid for the dongle. Cell-C would not have paid the retail price for the modem and does have a close relationship with Huawei. Cell-C would have procured the modems at a discount.

Assuming that they paid R2500 per modem then the cost of the 100GB data is R500, which translates into R5/GB.

If 8ta were to match Cell-C then 50GB per month would then cost between R250 per month, which works out to R3000 on a 12 month pre-paid sim only deal. Which is still pricey for many takers as the device cost has to be taken into account. As stated in my earlier post; 8ta wants to make its LTE offering a mass-market item. They are under pressure to save the mother ship Telkom!

As a competitor they would need an edge and a drastic, dramatic announcement.

A price of R3/GB would equate to a pre-paid deal of R1800 for 50GB per month for 12 months; which is what 8ta effectively charges for its current Go Big 120GB bundle.
 

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Personally I'd love to see them launch an uncapped offering on lte, so as to do away with the bloody copper issues we keep having in SA
 

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I wouldn't hope for prices less than half of their current per GB rate, if that. Keep it in mind that 8ta is owned by Telkom, they aren't going to allow LTE to cannabalise ADSL - although this will be different in the future with VDSL. Consider internet promo 5 is priced at R199 for 10(anytime)GB. 50GB p/m would currently cost R800p/m. Now all of a sudden its going to cost R150? If you're lucky maybe it will cost half, but I doubt that even.

My opinion is that 8ta is going to position LTE as a premium service, whilst retaining 3G. I may be wrong but thats my thought.

Sorry to be such a pessimist! :p but hopefully it will signal a change in direction for internet in SA
 

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I wouldn't hope for prices less than half of their current per GB rate, if that. Keep it in mind that 8ta is owned by Telkom, they aren't going to allow LTE to cannabalise ADSL - although this will be different in the future with VDSL. Consider internet promo 5 is priced at R199 for 10(anytime)GB. 50GB p/m would currently cost R800p/m. Now all of a sudden its going to cost R150? If you're lucky maybe it will cost half, but I doubt that even.

My opinion is that 8ta is going to position LTE as a premium service, whilst retaining 3G. I may be wrong but thats my thought.

Sorry to be such a pessimist! :p but hopefully it will signal a change in direction for internet in SA

You may be correct but I expect bandwidth costs to plummet this year. With all the capacity available (under sea cables etc), newer technologies, faster speeds prices have to fall. This is what happens when supply increases (shift in the supply curve).

In fact I see glimmers of hope and convinced by my previous arguments when I read this:
Uncapped ADSL prices slashed by as much as 50% by none other than Telkom!

Telkom is cannibalising itself; for a change. It is rare to read Telkom being complimented in MyBB forums! (See forum link in the article linked above. Telkom is under huge political pressure to deliver cheaper broadband. Failing which they will be restructured.

I really hope that this triggers fierce competition amongst all internet providers.

LTE could be a mass market and not a premium product. It could enable many businesses, schools and homes that don't have a Telkom land line to obtain broadband internet access. Since the number of landlines has been decreasing and many of them were incapable of providing broadband anyway, LTE would be a solution. Broadband access is critical to SA's economic growth; and as I said above there is massive political pressure to ensure that the masses have this access.


Though the mobile operators continue to grow, the situation in fixed lines is going from bad to worse. This year, the number of landlines in service declined to below 4m for the first time in decades. Only a fraction of those are enabled for broadband.
Source: http://www.fm.co.za/fm/2012/08/23/clever-trevor
 

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I agree that was a radical move by telkom with the uncapped price decreases! But it was up to 50% reductions, not 90%. I see some hints of economics in your post, complimenting that prices are usually sticky - suppliers don't immediately pass on cost savings to customers. Perhaps LTE will be mass market, I just don't see the position of 3G then? THere are some exciting things happening in the market, hopefully this is the turning point for SA internet price & quality wise. It will just take time, it won't be immediate
 

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LTE will be mass market, no doubt. There is no interest for network companies to restrict access. They want rather move as many users as possible, as faster devices give more aggregate bandwith - better network utilization. Those who cannot afford expensive devices will still use HSPA. And don't think LTE is much better technology, something which would replace HSPA completely like 3G was to 2G. Not at all. It is still 3G technology, small improvements and lack of legacy of first generation 3G devices, but generally higher speeds are achieved by allocating more frequency space.
 
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When is LTE coming o the country side, wasn't LTE suppose to be in the country first?
 

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I would like to get 50GB on 8ta's current HSxPA for like R500 per month, would be happy with that, I get 5mbps down & 2mbps up all the time (sometimes higher) but happy with that.....
 

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I agree with people related high prices: R500 - is a MAXIMUM I'm ready to spend (despite cap limit!) on that ridiculous communication which south africans name "Internet". Look around, people! Third world country has prices like we're Arabian Emirates! WTF?? We're POOR and cannot live with such idiotic prices. Moreover: many much less countries offer UNLIM for a reasonable price affordable by low level of medium people. It means MOST of the people can easy download all info (inc. movies/songs/software/etc) w/o looking at cap limit or "fair usage" (next idiotic term used by SA only).
I always was optimist, but SA every day proves it NEVER WILL CHANGE. Same stupid prices, unbalanced market and fat monkeys in mercs. Somebody hope he will live well sometime in this life?
 

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Go BIG LTE Edition

8ta's LTE strategy is to provide broadband access to the mass market, with smartphone LTE a secondary priority. Hence their 'imminent' announcement should be a major game changer. The announcement may even make a bigger impact than Cell-C's 2010 'Whoosh'.

Maharaj [8ta head] explained that their LTE focus for the next 18 months will be to provide high speed broadband access (hence data), with on device services like mobile calls to follow later.

And the data packages are expected to be high, 50GB and 100GB:

Maharaj explained that users can expect high usage packages like 50GB and 100GB from 8ta, but that they will not offer uncapped services as the technology is simply not suited for an uncapped environment.

And they are ready to replace ADSL with LTE too:

While 8ta is still working on pricing for its LTE services, Maharaj said that it will be affordable and will suit the purpose of an ADSL replacement option in areas where this is needed.

This is an important point as the major issue for fixed line broadband is the last mile problem and the monthly cost of the ADSL line which is bundled with a voice line, pushing the cost up even further. Also, many areas are limited to max. 1MB/s fixed lines. Wireless broadband bypasses these issues.

Full article referenced above is here
 

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Uncapped LTE Pricing around the world

UNCAPPED LTE: USA,

T Mobile Uncapped LTE and unlimitted talk/text $89.99 about R800 pm

http://deals.t-mobile.com/unlimited-data-plan

UNCAPPED LTE SWEDEN, Population 9.4 million

349skr about R481 per month

http://www.telenor.se/privat/hemmalosningar/bredband-stor.html (In Swedish)

http://bit.ly/W9TxAr (English via Google Translate)



UNCAPPED LTE: KOREA

Unlimited LTE data plan to have small impact on sales and traffic
http://english.hankyung.com/news/apps/news.view?c1=03&nkey=201301281707501

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73% of Countries with 4G Services Have Dropped Their 4G Tariffs by an Average of 30% in the Past 6 Months

"India currently offers the lowest priced plan in ABI Research's Mobile Internet Pricing Q4-2012 survey. India's lowest priced mobile data plans decreased 29.4% year-on-year (YoY) compared to Q4-2011, when it ranked fourth"
 

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8ta's big LTE move

"Our biggest mobile data offering is 10GB; what size LTE packages do we need to launch with when you can download 23GB in 40 minutes?"

"There is a voracious appetite for Internet access driven by changing prepaid market demands, and as data becomes commoditised, users are staying on prepaid so they can take advantage of data promotions as they come along.”

Amith Maharaj, senior managing executive for Telkom Mobile​

While an aggressive data focus was not part of its initial strategy, Maharaj says that, with the early successes it saw in the space, the company decided to pursue a stronger data focus.


8ta's big LTE move

Cell C and 8ta may end up way ahead in the LTE game. It's all a matter of spectrum.
By Samantha Perry, Brainstorm editor
Johannesburg, 1 Feb 2013
8ta is pursuing a stronger data focus thanks to early success there, says Telkom Mobile’s Amith Maharaj.

8ta is pursuing a stronger data focus thanks to early success there, says Telkom Mobile’s Amith Maharaj.
LTE is the word on the mobile street, with MTN, Cell C, 8ta and Vodacom in a race to the launch. Vodacom has gone live first, but in a limited way – it has 200 LTE base stations in Johannesburg and is trialling the service in Cape Town.

MTN has been trialling LTE at 100 sites in Gauteng since July last year but has yet to go live with a commercial service. CTO Lambo Kanagaratnam told media recently that the company expects to have 400 to 500 sites live in Johannesburg by year-end. It is battling to roll out in Cape Town, he said, because of difficulties it is experiencing refarming its 1 800MHz spectrum for LTE.

Cell C recently revealed its LTE plans. CEO Alan Knott-Craig said the company will be launching trial LTE networks in Cape Town and Durban by year-end but would wait to go live until government had made a decision on a national wholesale LTE network. It will look at making services available in Johannesburg and Pretoria in 2013.

8ta announced its free LTE trial launch in the first week of October – offering qualifying customers a device, 50GB of 2 |

Promoting data and the opportunity to participate at no charge. It was over-subscribed within the first three days, having received some 7 000 applications.

MTN and Vodacom are running their LTE services on refarmed 1 800MHz spectrum (which they told ICASA they absolutely had to, had to, have for voice back when they applied for it). Vodacom is using two 5MHz allocations (for LTE you need pairs of spectrum – one channel for upload and one for download), which is not ideal. As spokesperson Richard Boorman notes, you need two 20MHz to really unlock the potential of the technology.


MTN is also using two 10MHz of its 1.8GHz spectrum that it has refarmed, and, according to investor relations head Nik Kershaw, this is seen as a short-term solution while MTN “waits for the allocation of the 2.6GHz and 800MHz. This refarming we have done and are doing is certainly not our preferred means of delivering the LTE service.”

Refarming spectrum also potentially compromises the voice network.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to deliver a quality experience to a true broadband user thanks to smartphones.
Cell C and 8ta have the advantage over their older competitors here. Cell C has an allocation of 900MHz spectrum while 8ta has 2.3GHz spectrum, thanks to its parent, Telkom, which used to use it for microwave services. ICASA, in part who knows of a very long spectrum allocation story, is awaiting a Ministerial Directive before it can go ahead with making high-demand frequency spectrum available in the 2.6GHz and 800MHz bands. The latter is further awaiting the completion of SA's migration from analogue to digital terrestrial television and will only be freed up once this is complete.

8ta is taking full advantage of the spectrum it has, and is focusing heavily on data.

Promoting data

Amith Maharaj, senior managing executive for Telkom Mobile, says Telkom as a group is aggressively focused on data. “There is a voracious appetite for Internet access driven by changing prepaid market demands, and as data becomes commoditised, users are staying on prepaid so they can take advantage of data promotions as they come along.”

While an aggressive data focus was not part of its initial strategy, Maharaj says that, with the early successes it saw in the space, the company decided to pursue a stronger data focus.

“So we need this LTE investment to stay top of mind with technology consumers, and to show we can bring the latest technology to market, like the other operators.”

8ta is carrying 95% of the data traffic that its customers generate on its own network, he adds, so it is not overly dependent on MTN there.

“We will always invest in the network and implement the latest technology and ensure that data is available where our customers want and use it,” he says.

According to Maharaj, 8ta’s network performs particularly well because the company was able to leapfrog 2G and roll out an all-IP network from scratch. And it doesn't experience the same traffic volumes as its competitors.

“The crux is ours isn't as over-utilised as other networks,” Maharaj comments. “Your average 2G feature phone user with a data-enabled device consumes an average of 50MB of data per month. The average smartphone user consumes 500MB. A tablet users consumes 1.5GB and for a true broadband user (consuming high-speed Internet using a dongle), that goes up to 4GB to 5GB.

“So the challenge we have as network operators is that, if a user is surfing at a location, on a dongle, on a laptop, and 50 people with smartphones walk in, that laptop user's experience is going to degrade rapidly. That's the challenge with 3G as it stands – the demand for data far outstrips capacity, and demand varies because users and devices are mobile. It's becoming increasingly difficult to deliver a quality experience to a true broadband user thanks to smartphones. And as we bring more customers on board we'll get to that level too.”

In the meantime, 8ta is investing in capacity and concentrating on densifying its network around the pockets where it sees huge demand.

LTE will free up the 3G network for all types of users, and offload the true broadband users and speed freaks onto a network that is “fit for purpose”, as Maharaj phrases it. “One or two years ago, the guys buying 10GB or 20GB uncapped didn't exist,” he says, “but now the operators need to cater for them.”

Networks also need to cater for the asynchronous upload/download requirements most users have.

To that end, 8ta has decided to implement Time Division Duplex (TDD) LTE, instead of the more common Frequency Division Duplex (FDD) standard. FDD requires two channels and you have to apportion equal uplink and downlink. With TDD, you can allocate time slots in a ratio – so you can allocate a 3:1 split of download versus upload, which maximises the user experience and gives them what they want, Maharaj says.

“We've found the average user downloads 10 times more than they upload. So you can take 20MB and allocate 15MB to download and 5MB to upload.”

TDD devices are about a year behind FDD devices in terms of maturity, he adds. 8ta is rolling out LTE via personal WiFi devices (MiFi devices), which are small, mobile dongles that take a SIM card and transmit WiFi over a short range.

This means, says Maharaj, people can upgrade to LTE without upgrading all of their devices. “It lowers the barrier to entry substantially,” he comments. And it also gets around little irritations like the battery life on LTE devices (which is still problematic) and the fact that an LTE device, while it will use 3G if it can't find LTE, will constantly hunt for it and drain the battery faster.

“The personal WiFi devices will bridge the gap until the technology matures and prices drop,” Maharaj says. ”Also, if you're indoors and move around, you can leave the device where it gets the best signal.” Anyone else within range can connect too, provided they have the network password, so one connection can be shared comfortably.

“It's a good complement to fixed line,” he says. “ADSL is not available everywhere. This offers a good solution to gated communities too – using a fixed-based CPE device, you can transmit LTE. With the speeds and capacities LTE gives us, we believe we can overcome some of the constraints of the fixed-line experience that have led to such high 3G uptake.”

Telkom is taking an holistic approach here, Maharaj adds, with 2G for voice, 3G for smartphones, LTE for true broadband users, and fixed for high-quality/high-bandwidth users.

8ta sees this as a marathon, not a race, which is why it is being so conservative in trialling and going live with its LTE product. “We need to understand how it functions in different usage situations and how consumers behave before we go live. We want to make sure all the blocks are in place. Our biggest mobile data offering is 10GB; what size LTE packages do we need to launch with when you can download 23GB in 40 minutes?
 

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To that end, 8ta has decided to implement Time Division Duplex (TDD) LTE, instead of the more common Frequency Division Duplex (FDD) standard.
Warning for all users purchasing in advance LTE devices for 8ta. AFAIK, there are either FDD or TDD devices, not both. Therefore FDD devices (even with compatible frequensies) will not work on 8ta network.

Good news is that 2.3GHz frequency will stay, so people currently on trial can continue use these device. I am right or wrong?

Interesting, I didn't see any report from people currently on the trial, that their devices are TDD, not FDD.
 

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Warning for all users purchasing in advance LTE devices for 8ta. AFAIK, there are either FDD or TDD devices, not both. Therefore FDD devices (even with compatible frequensies) will not work on 8ta network.

Good news is that 2.3GHz frequency will stay, so people currently on trial can continue use these device. I am right or wrong?

Interesting, I didn't see any report from people currently on the trial, that their devices are TDD, not FDD.

The Huawei B593 supports LTE TDD and FDD, features a download speed of up to 100M and provides access to up to 32 WiFi devices as well as desktop computers through an Ethernet cable.


Source:http://www.huawei.com/en/about-huawei/newsroom/press-release/hw-093998-routerltetddwireless.htm
 

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8ta's LTE now Telkom Mobile's LTE?



He said 8ta would continue to be the brand name "for a core set of products". It had developed a "strong and loyal following" in key parts of the market and would remain an important product. The 8ta unit has about 1.5-million customers.

Telkom Mobile will commercially launch its long-term evolution network, a much faster wireless broadband network, in about a month. The company would have 1,000 base stations by the launch — in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban and Cape Town, Mr Vitai said.


Telkom Mobile reinvents itself
19-Mar-2013 | Thabiso Mochiko
Telkom’s mobile business rebrands itself with a new logo and targets a high-spending clientele

TELKOM Mobile is to embark on a recruitment drive to strengthen its business, which has been rebranded to attract high-spending customers. On Tuesday, Telkom unveiled a new logo for its Telkom Mobile business, which would be the umbrella brand for the company, with 8ta being the "sub-brand".

Because of its dwindling fixed-line business, Telkom sees future growth coming from the mobile business, although it is struggling to gain traction in a highly competitive market dominated by MTN and Vodacom.

Telkom Mobile MD Attila Vitai said the rebranding had nothing to do with the cost restructuring that parent company Telkom had embarked on. Telkom announced last week it had offered thousands of employees voluntary severance and early retirement packages.

Mr Vitai said Telkom Mobile was the "future and a growth engine" for Telkom. "The mobile business is still growing. We are in a recruitment phase," he said. However, the company was still determining the total number of new employees it needed.

Mr Vitai said Telkom would look at redeploying some employees to Telkom Mobile. "We want to limit the pain for employees. It does not give any of us a good feeling to let employees go. We will look at alternative positions for some people," he said. "If people have appropriate skills, we will bring them from Telkom to Telkom Mobile."

Telkom Mobile would also look at how it could perform more effectively, Mr Vitai said. It could, for instance, bring some outsourced functions back in-house, thus creating vacancies.

Asked how much Telkom Mobile’s rebranded logo cost, Mr Vitai said the costs were minimal and the group used existing budget allocations. He said the new brand was positioned to take advantage of changes in consumer knowledge, expectations and behaviour.

The rebranding also reflected that the company was mature enough to attract high-end customers from its rivals, said Mr Vitai. "We believe we have grown … and can now offer good enough service to attract high-value customers. Telkom Mobile is a response to these consumer requirements and to opportunities that a faster, top-quality network offers for launching products that are attractive to heavy and high-end users."

He said 8ta would continue to be the brand name "for a core set of products". It had developed a "strong and loyal following" in key parts of the market and would remain an important product. The 8ta unit has about 1.5-million customers.

Telkom Mobile will commercially launch its long-term evolution network, a much faster wireless broadband network, in about a month. The company would have 1,000 base stations by the launch — in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban and Cape Town, Mr Vitai said.
 
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Telkom should make an announcement today and let us know what LTE data bundles will cost in South Africa.
 
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