WhatsApp vs Telegram vs Facebook vs Signal – What personal data apps collect

rpm said:
We saw this, but not sure what the source is and whether it is accurate?
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How about an article about oversight of the apps and legal privacy laws.
Telegram is now based in Dubai, started off in Russia and has Russian developers. What is stopping them from doing something with telemetry data on their servers and using it? They dont even have to tell you based on the laws in the country they operate from.
Signal UI/UX is blah and sluggish at best. Do they have the funds to scale their infrastructure to compete with Facebook?

At least WA operate in a world with oversight and legal laws where they tell you what they can do. It is not just about data gathered on your device but the usage patterns they pickup from the servers.
 
Ivanr said:
The facts clearly show -Text GSM messages (SMS) remain the one and only, these WhatsApp,Signal,Telegram and Google RCS etc. are not "ubiquitous" across all networks and will remain like this in the future for a long-term. So what is there to debate about!
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Your cellphone network provider can view all your SMS's.




Also, people are joining/installing Telegram but no one that I know have removed Whatsapp from their phone.
 
Anyone had a sudden influx of scare-mongering messages, warning about texts/links/etc that, when opened/accessed, will send all your WhatsApp information to XYZ?
 
wroemwroem said:
Can't believe people are reacting like this over WhatsApp. Have any of you switching away from WhatsApp ever even bothered to read the privacy policy of Google, Microsoft, Spotify, or any of the other big tech companies?

I bet most of you are reading this page on Google Chrome with a logged in Google account, have TrueCaller installed on your phone, and use a browser on your phone (also probably Google Chrome) without an ad blocker. Do you have any idea the amount of data those companies collect?

Now you get warm under the collar because of WhatsApp? You have a lot to learn about how the internet works, young grasshoppers.
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What is a wroemwroem ?
 
Oh how I miss this sometimes, more these days with technology virtually up our a$$es at the moment.

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WalkWithMe said:
How about an article about oversight of the apps and legal privacy laws.
Telegram is now based in Dubai, started off in Russia and has Russian developers. What is stopping them from doing something with telemetry data on their servers and using it? They dont even have to tell you based on the laws in the country they operate from.
Signal UI/UX is blah and sluggish at best. Do they have the funds to scale their infrastructure to compete with Facebook?

At least WA operate in a world with oversight and legal laws where they tell you what they can do. It is not just about data gathered on your device but the usage patterns they pickup from the servers.
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Not sure Dubai / UAE is any better than Russia.
 
WalkWithMe said:
How about an article about oversight of the apps and legal privacy laws.
Telegram is now based in Dubai, started off in Russia and has Russian developers. What is stopping them from doing something with telemetry data on their servers and using it? They dont even have to tell you based on the laws in the country they operate from.
Signal UI/UX is blah and sluggish at best. Do they have the funds to scale their infrastructure to compete with Facebook?

At least WA operate in a world with oversight and legal laws where they tell you what they can do. It is not just about data gathered on your device but the usage patterns they pickup from the servers.
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The app is open source, so from the app people can check exactly what info the app collects and sends to the server not so?
 
wroemwroem said:
Can't believe people are reacting like this over WhatsApp. Have any of you switching away from WhatsApp ever even bothered to read the privacy policy of Google, Microsoft, Spotify, or any of the other big tech companies?

I bet most of you are reading this page on Google Chrome with a logged in Google account, have TrueCaller installed on your phone, and use a browser on your phone (also probably Google Chrome) without an ad blocker. Do you have any idea the amount of data those companies collect?

Now you get warm under the collar because of WhatsApp? You have a lot to learn about how the internet works, young grasshoppers.
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And don't forget that some of the same people don't want to get a vaccine in case they get tracked.
 
Ockie said:
The app is open source, so from the app people can check exactly what info the app collects and sends to the server not so?
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so who cares about client side, there is no mention of what they can scrape from the servers, and chat are kept on the servers. Servers are not open source and they know all the telemetry from there....
 
WalkWithMe said:
so who cares about client side, there is no mention of what they can scrape from the servers, and chat are kept on the servers. Servers are not open source and they know all the telemetry from there....
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I would assume people can see by the app code what information is sent to the servers? Sorry, I am not technically minded when it comes to source code, but my logic tells me that people that code would be able to check in the app's source code what information the app is sending to the server. By that they would know what information the server has access to in the first place not so?

And for the people that are really security minded, there is secret chats, as long as they are happy with the conversation in the secret chat not being available on their other devices.
 
Its such a dumpster fire atm.

i now have to have Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram open to chat to people depending on which one they chose :rolleyes:
 
neoprema said:
Its such a dumpster fire atm.

i now have to have Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram open to chat to people depending on which one they chose :rolleyes:
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I now have both Telegram and Signal installed. I installed Signal after my one friend (who also has Telegram) sent me a invite. I have been monitoring Signal contacts and my list have definately grown since this WhatsApp debacle started, but Telegram has by far been the biggest winner in my contacts list. I dont mind having both apps installed really. Might just be a bit confusing to remember who is using which app lol.
 
Ockie said:
I would assume people can see by the app code what information is sent to the servers? Sorry, I am not technically minded when it comes to source code, but my logic tells me that people that code would be able to check in the app's source code what information the app is sending to the server. By that they would know what information the server has access to in the first place not so?

And for the people that are really security minded, there is secret chats, as long as they are happy with the conversation in the secret chat not being available on their other devices.
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So the same thing with WhatsApp. it is all encrypted. whatsApp is not taking the actual chat data but usage.
Telegram servers know who is online, where you coming from (by IP), who you chatting with, how often you chat, what time you chatting, are you doing voice or text or pictures. That is all the analytics data. That is what is important to Facebook and how to sell advertising.

No one cares about the messages content.

In terms of the source code of Telegram client, it still relies on a lot of private API's and bunch of things. The code is also not easy to read
 
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