WhatsApp watch groups drive fear

the basic facts are that there are far, FAR, more black and colored people involved in crime than white people, so the assertion that this comes through in a neighborhood watch group shouldn't be surprising. As our ruling government continually tells us, the 'legacy' of the past is what continues to drive this situation (as opposed to utter incompetence and corruption).

Over the last 2 years homelessness has skyrocketed and there are people pitching tents on the side of the road literally 600 meters from my front door. Townships are growing and expanding rapidly, and are a clear indication of how a gradually failing and perpetually struggling economy are driving this situation. People have lost their jobs, have no money, and need some way to survive. The most innocuous ways to do this are begging at street corners and digging through bins, but more and more opportunistic crimes are on the up.

In this scenario, and again with a pretty benign police force, yes, anxiety is on the up and the unfortunate feeling that people 'need' to protect their stuff, their families and themselves is going up as well. Many wont and cant discern harmful and harmless, so are just going to report anything that looks out of place in their neighborhood. Thats the world we live in sadly. A research thesis isn't needed. Its an obvious desperate world we're living in.
 
Markd said:
the basic facts are that there are far, FAR, more black and colored people involved in crime than white people, so the assertion that this comes through in a neighborhood watch group shouldn't be surprising. As our ruling government continually tells us, the 'legacy' of the past is what continues to drive this situation (as opposed to utter incompetence and corruption).

Over the last 2 years homelessness has skyrocketed and there are people pitching tents on the side of the road literally 600 meters from my front door. Townships are growing and expanding rapidly, and are a clear indication of how a gradually failing and perpetually struggling economy are driving this situation. People have lost their jobs, have no money, and need some way to survive. The most innocuous ways to do this are begging at street corners and digging through bins, but more and more opportunistic crimes are on the up.

In this scenario, and again with a pretty benign police force, yes, anxiety is on the up and the unfortunate feeling that people 'need' to protect their stuff, their families and themselves is going up as well. Many wont and cant discern harmful and harmless, so are just going to report anything that looks out of place in their neighborhood. Thats the world we live in sadly. A research thesis isn't needed. Its an obvious desperate world we're living in.
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My last robbery I had involved an idiot scaling a high fence with razor wire top and bottom, cameras, dogs, he could see I was home...Just to steal a rust old 44 gallon drum to take to the scrappers...worth less that R5...|
Was it worth it? Well, it was to that guy....

Thats how desperate its getting out there...They dont care and will take whatever risks necessary....
Next time it will be in my house and in my face...

Cops can do/will do nothing....
Up to you for your own safety these days....No-one going to help you out there...

So dont pay attention to your Whats App messages and complain about people overreacting etc
(not you MarkD!)

I like it...hopefully they target your place next and not mine....
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Markd said:
the basic facts are that there are far, FAR, more black and colored people involved in crime than white people, so the assertion that this comes through in a neighborhood watch group shouldn't be surprising.
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Unfortunately that is EXTREMELY racist according to the "victim posters"....so ALL facts must be ignored.
 
mojoman said:
My last robbery I had involved an idiot scaling a high fence with razor wire top and bottom, cameras, dogs, he could see I was home...Just to steal a rust old 44 gallon drum to take to the scrappers...worth less that R5...|
Was it worth it? Well, it was to that guy....
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Please explain to me how someone climbed over/through razor wire on a fence with a 44 gallon drum under his arm??
 
MightyQuin said:
Please explain to me how someone climbed over/through razor wire on a fence with a 44 gallon drum under his arm??
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Chucked the barrel over the fence...I used to just burn old bank statements etc in the thing.
Casually sauntered off down the road to the scrap yard with it!
Cops knew this guy by first name....Kinda like a Frequent Flyer...Frequent Thiever...:laugh:
(18 months later, he caught red handed by me and the fuzz, with video footage....no charges.....:laugh::laugh:)

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This fence was put up to keep the thieving things out...
Now they just steal the fence...Problem solved
Fence is a year old...(a MogaleCity project here!)
Its that expensive plastic coated metal mesh...done in panels
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porchrat said:
I remember a time in July last year when our state institutions did indeed fail to protect citizens.

After that mess these state institutions need to earn that trust back. I don't have much hope that they will.
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Never in this city again.
 
mojoman said:
This fence was put up to keep the thieving things out...
Now they just steal the fence...Problem solved
Fence is a year old...(a MogaleCity project here!)
Its that expensive plastic coated metal mesh...done in panels
:laugh:

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Where is this? I need some panels for shelves in the workshop.
 
MightyQuin said:
Please explain to me how someone climbed over/through razor wire on a fence with a 44 gallon drum under his arm??
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As can be seen from the photo his razor wire is quite anaemic old razor wire, not nearly as mean as:

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Arzy said:
Just another pearl from my community group.

Now, take into account that I mentioned earlier we had a planned outage to install a new electrical cable. Something has gone wrong and there's a street/block that is without power. People are rightly upset at the inconvenience but the technicians and our local councilor are on site trying to resolve the issue. These guys are physically going from house to house to try and find a broken cable underground. To quote them "The tech believes it is a big gap because their usual fault detector can't locate the problem and they are waiting for more specialized equipment to be brought in."

Then you get a message like this: "My question is why they can't at least switch us back on until the equipment to locate the fault arrives?"
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farking morons

as per
 
mojoman said:
This fence was put up to keep the thieving things out...
Now they just steal the fence...Problem solved
Fence is a year old...(a MogaleCity project here!)
Its that expensive plastic coated metal mesh...done in panels
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You need cameras, alarms and armed response with regular patrols when you install a Cochrane ClearView fence (or any of its derivatives like See-Through / Secureomesh / Wonderfence / Bettafence).
 
maumau said:
If anyone got kicked off our street WhatsApp group it would be me.

8th October last year was a rainy night. At about 9:00 the alarm started going off at our neighbour across the road. It would stop for a few minutes then start again, this carried on for about 20 minutes.

A family member happened to look out of the window and saw a guy wearing a beanie, walking up and down in the rain on the pavement outside said neighbours property shining a weak torch and casing the place. Family member captured it on video. I immediately pressed the panic button and posted the video on our WA group "robbery in progress at number 123". Plenty of responses "are they OK", "anything we can do", "have you phoned the security company". Then a response from the neighbour whose house was being "burgled" - "Err, I'm pretty sure that video is of me, I was trying to find the fault in our electric fence" :mad::mad: :mad: Arsehole :mad::mad::mad:

A few weeks after that I left to go shopping and saw a guy lolling in a car parked on the pavement outside my house. Obviously I was reluctant to leave for a few hours because this stranger knew there would be nobody home. Anyway, as I reversed out I looked at him very pointedly and made certain he saw me take a picture of his car.

I drove off but circled back and parked a few blocks behind his car to watch. After 10 minutes or so he moved his car from one side of the road to the other but continued to sit there, which I thought was odd so I phoned the security company and requested a patrol. Embarrassingly I also posted on the WA group that a vehicle had been parked outside number XYZ for a long time and asked if neighbours were expecting anyone. No replies.

After the security company had investigated I flagged them down. They reported that the guy was an Uber driver who had brought a customer home and was sitting there waiting for another call. Only explanation is that he moved from shade on one side of the road to sun on the other.

Not my proudest moment :notworthy: and I haven't commented on that group for a while.
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Well-run whatsapp groups (and the response teams that feed on them) actually take these kind of false-positives in their stride, and it's actually good for the security of the neighborhood.
Firstly, it shows that people like yourself care enough about security to report it. This is actually the biggest win, criminals just love an apathetic populace that are too scared of offending people to report anything.
Secondly, the resultant patrols and investigation may have amounted to nothing, yet two things were achieved: Law-enforcement visibility in the area increased which is always good, and resident's perceptions of security were satisfied (other than your own).

I would rather have 20 false positives in one night, than zero and then hear about 1 rape, 2 home robberies, 3 housebreakings and 5 theft out of motor vehicle the following morning. So keep up the reporting, it's all good.
 
RonSwanson said:
You need cameras, alarms and armed response with regular patrols when you install a Cochrane ClearView fence (or any of its derivatives like See-Through / Secureomesh / Wonderfence / Bettafence).
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When somebody wants in, that somebody will get in. Fences are all deterrents and measures to stall, but deterrents can be ignored and measures can be overcome. You would need to ensure that a response, or alarm, is triggered and that the response will respond timeously. Monitoring helps, being proactive, but not all monitoring is live and or alerting.

Farms, depots, etc, enclosed with ClearVu and the like, are breached all the time, ripped. Raids on stock and livestock in this country are common, and I am sure that the ‘WhatsApp community” in the rural areas are more despised than those in the cities. People don’t like community policing, even when said community supports the police and security services.

But mentioning ClearVu, there is a truck depot nearby which looks like a Power Loader, like the one in Aliens, had a go at the perimeter, it is pushed and pulled apart, quick and dirty, but whoever wanted in got in.
 
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