When did ‘Always-On’ start to mean ‘when Telkom feels like it’?

Ekhaatvensters

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I also started thinking: "huh?" when I read this. It obviously isn't a normal MyADSL article, and I don't think the writer even intended it to be about TelkomISP not having larger caps or top ups, that's simply the obvious interpretation. He would have mentioned that, or wouldn't be using Telkom if he knew about these things.

He says they've reduced their prices on bandwidth, and they haven't. Those prices for Telkom accounts have stuck for ages, even when they are supplying the bandwidth cheaper to other ISP's. Obviously confused between the line rental and bandwith costs.
 

Highflyer_GP

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He says they've reduced their prices on bandwidth, and they haven't. Those prices for Telkom accounts have stuck for ages, even when they are supplying the bandwidth cheaper to other ISP's. Obviously confused between the line rental and bandwith costs.
Actually he's right. It's a common misconception that bandwidth refers to the actual data.

Bandwidth is in fact the speed of the pipe. They've reduced their prices on speed (i.e. bandwidth) but they haven't changed much in terms of data allowances or wholesale data rates.
 

swim

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so in all the months you have been using 3gig of your 9gig and been paying for 9gig
 

ic

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Actually he's right. It's a common misconception that bandwidth refers to the actual data.

Bandwidth is in fact the speed of the pipe. They've reduced their prices on speed (i.e. bandwidth) but they haven't changed much in terms of data allowances or wholesale data rates.
Technically ADSL Connectivity|Access rental only reduces as from Wednesday 2007-08-01, and in typical Telkodemonopolies-style the analogue line rental increases at the same time - which we can blame the ever so incompetent Paris Mashile @ !CASA for having rubber-stamped the continued raping of consumers through our wallets - not exactly what I would call protection against the beast's diseases :mad:.
 

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Technically ADSL Connectivity|Access rental only reduces as from Wednesday 2007-08-01, and in typical Telkodemonopolies-style the analogue line rental increases at the same time - which we can blame the ever so incompetent Paris Mashile @ !CASA for having rubber-stamped the continued raping of consumers through our wallets - not exactly what I would call protection against the beast's diseases :mad:.
Oooh let's not even get started on that. I'm stuck on a 512kbps line because they've refused to upgrade my exchange to being 4mbps-capable. From August I'd be paying for a 512kbps line which is R87 less than a 4mbps one and more than double the price of a 384kbps line.

512kbps users seem to have been shafted the most on these "price cuts" :mad:

PS: I think your sig should be edited to include @mweb.co.za :D
 

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Why :confused:

IMO both SWE2 and IPCop are easy to setup...
Yes they are dead easy to set up, if you have the correct hardware, this is why I have been looking for some ISA Network cards (and after you "complained" :p , an old motherboard) if you look at my Sig. My ISA card I have at the moment just does not Want to work with SW it seems. The Manual config (ne io=0x280 . . .) does not work as it is not a "ne" compatable network card and the driver module is not available yada yada yada, I just want to skip the whole problem by getting some other ISA cards.

I'm Still deciding whether to use SW or IPCop at the moment too.

@Highflyer_GP
Last time with the "free" upgrades of the lines, the 512k users was also the ones that was "ignored" the most it seems. I'm happy that I wont be a 512k user. :D
 

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The writer of that article do come across as slightly clueless...

I would prefer an article which is about the same title.

This guy should have done a little more research before posting this article.

No matter how poorly researched the article appears to be, it's a problem that many of us can relate to.

I still think this is a horribly written article with very little actual knowledge of the subject and therefore missing the real problems. The whole thing just comes off as whinny and poorly researched, it's hard to know if the author is complaining about Telkom-Internet or Telkom.

I also started thinking: "huh?" when I read this. It obviously isn't a normal MyADSL article, and I don't think the writer even intended it to be about TelkomISP not having larger caps or top ups, that's simply the obvious interpretation. He would have mentioned that, or wouldn't be using Telkom if he knew about these things.

He says they've reduced their prices on bandwidth, and they haven't. Those prices for Telkom accounts have stuck for ages, even when they are supplying the bandwidth cheaper to other ISP's. Obviously confused between the line rental and bandwith costs.

This author (ITWeb's telecoms editor) :D is the same one that wrote this disgusting piece of writing:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Columns/467.html :sick:

What I don't understand is why MyADSL keeps publishing these "journalistic master-pieces"!
 

ic

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Oooh let's not even get started on that. I'm stuck on a 512kbps line because they've refused to upgrade my exchange to being 4mbps-capable. From August I'd be paying for a 512kbps line which is R87 less than a 4mbps one and more than double the price of a 384kbps line.

512kbps users seem to have been shafted the most on these "price cuts" :mad:
Ummm I think I am worse off than you are 1. the copper distance to my local exchange and the fact that Telkodemonopolies will not allow me to have WiMax bcos I have ADSL, means I am going to be stuck with HomeDSL313.6kbits/s until I decide to cancel it; and 2. last time around it was the HomeDSL192kbits/s and HomeDSL384kbits/s people that got shafted the most with a measly R17/month decrease whilst the HomeDSL512kbits/s folks got a much larger price decrease.

However, I am not going to bicker about who got what price decrease against a monthly fee that should not exist at all - all that is left to say is that I would will be watching when Telkodemonopolies implodes in a ball of its own flames and returns to the depths of hell from whence it came.
PS: I think your sig should be edited to include @mweb.co.za :D
Yeah, I considered that and @vodamail.co.za and a bunch of others but there is a length restriction on my signature and there were numerous complaints about my signature being too big like a really bad '80s hairstyle, so I had to cut it short...
 
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Technically ADSL Connectivity|Access rental only reduces as from Wednesday 2007-08-01, and in typical Telkodemonopolies-style the analogue line rental increases at the same time - which we can blame the ever so incompetent Paris Mashile @ !CASA for having rubber-stamped the continued raping of consumers through our wallets - not exactly what I would call protection against the beast's diseases :mad:.

This might be a really stupid question: why does Telkom charge a line rental but the Mobile Operators don't charge a 'tower rental' or other similar fee?:confused:
 

ic

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This might be a really stupid question: why does Telkom charge a line rental but the Mobile Operators don't charge a 'tower rental' or other similar fee?:confused:
Telkodemonopolies actually charges 2 line rentals for the same 2 ordinary pieces of copper wiring which ADSL works on. Again, one has to understand the nature of a beastly monopoly to understand why & how Telkodemonopolies manages to profiteer to the extent that it does.
 

Ekhaatvensters

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Actually he's right. It's a common misconception that bandwidth refers to the actual data.

Bandwidth is in fact the speed of the pipe. They've reduced their prices on speed (i.e. bandwidth) but they haven't changed much in terms of data allowances or wholesale data rates.

Oh, ja I know, I was just using his words. In the article he talks about the the high price you pay for the extra bandwidth, even though telkom have decreased their prices.

That is quite funny though.. reducing their prices on just the line speed. If that isn't coupled with bandwidth, how can speed cost more.. oh well, that's why we're here :D
 

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telkom standard router you can't auto switch (it's borderline peace of crap) i am sure there are better adsl combo routers out there.
 

SibSpi

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Ok, what I can see is the user is having the following problems

1.) Sporadic connection, sometimes on while on the phone but off shortly after hanging up
2.) Having to actually talk to a person at Telkom's customer support line, which they'd never had to do before, since the connection magically came on just as they dialed through to the helpline
3.) The small caps
4.) The fact their accounts aren't automatically switched for them, they have to do it themselves
5.) The supposed 'sales pitch' offering 'Always-On internet'
6.) The apparent disposition that their service provider should 'provide' them with whatever their needs may be without asking them for permission first

Right, now onto my take of this situation, regarding each problem.

1.) This sounds like a terminator issue - not a telkom issue.

2.) The fact they'd never taken the time to actually talk to the technicall support staff, and go through the possible causes of their disconnections, and find a solution to it (and possibly even get a free call-out to have the problem inspected and fixed [assuming the problem existed on site due to a fault with telkom]), is plainly dim in my opinion.
The best way to get a solution to an unknown problem is to actually ask someone who may know what's wrong, about the possibilities that could give rise to said unknown problems, based on the symptoms.

3.) The caps, the way I see it, actually aren't all that small right now. Given the new group bandwidth policy, virtually anyone can easily achieve 5gb per 3gb account by the end of a month, before getting capped. The sooner into the month you're fully utilizing your connection, the larger that buffer will be, but obviously, the sooner you may get cut off. Based on this, starting with a 1gb account for the beginning of the month (which to my knowledge still uses the shared bandwidth pool), then a 2gb and THEN a 3gb for the last week of the month, should work out better than 3x 3gb accounts. This is not a fault on Telkom's part, it is a fault on the part of the user's ignorance.

4.) Automatic account switching, to my knowledge, is possible on some routers, but not on a usage basis, only on an ability to get authorization basis. Given telkom accounts currently will still log in, even when capped, allowing users access to their email and internet banking, this wouldn't help the user anyway.

5.) The not-at-all fine print when signing up for a Telkom Internet ADSL connection/cap package, states fairly clearly, that it is a 'best effort' service, and that it will experience periodic outages due to hardware issues, software/server issues, or any number of other issues. We live in a country where cables can be dug up from the ground, interrupting a user's connection. Technically this isn't telkom's fault, but the fault of the people digging up the cables.

6.) Honestly, I wouldn't be at all impressed if I had to receive a telkom bill with several dsl packages, that I didn't ask for, like my mom's friend had recieved shortly after they got ADSL, thanks to her son deciding it would be cool to watch youtube videos all of his summer holiday. (I'll not disclose what service provider this was with, but I'm sure you can imagine who it might've been)

Seriously, telkom clearly state in their fine print, which any self-respecting person that runs a SOHO outfit should actually read, and understand, before signing any kind of contract, that there may be problems with their connection, and that it's provided on a best effort service. Best effort in this case may not be particularly good, but it's still stated quite clearly.

Rants like this user's shouldn't be on the mybroadband front page, it only serves to demonstrate general user ignorance, and is one of the challenges I face as an IT products consultant (altho not qualified in any manner), when users plainly don't WANT to understand anything about what they're trying to purchase.

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