Which car would you go for. Diesel with turbo or straight petrol without turbo.

[Pitbull]

Hi
I want to spend R80K on a car which will have installments over 5 years of R2000 per month.

Below are the cars I am considering.

It would be a circa 2006 model with circa 150K km with FSH. FSH at this age would most likely not be at the official agents. But sometimes they are.

Notes
IMO. I would say the 2.0 without diesel or turbo are the safest options.

I'm fearful of:
diesel - had issues with CDi smoking before. Possibly injectors.
TDI - turbo and seals had issues.
DMF - expensive to fix when it goes.
Drivetrain of Audi auto TDI

All of the above may just have been my bad luck.

VW Jetta 2.0 / TFSI / TDI
Audi A4/3 1.8/2.0 / TFSI / TDI
BMW 1/320i
MB C180/C200

Thoughts pls.

Thanks

Add 9k and you can buy a nice Subaru.
I actually saw one yesterday while shopping for a new bakkie. Will try find it again.

http://www.autotrader.co.za/used-ca...randcommercialpricerangeszar/85-000-to-99-999

 

[justadude]

All clear.

Here are two i am interested in.
One FSI (6 speed) and one not (5 speed).

Been reading and now terrified of the FSI and Carbon buildup.

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...a-2-0-fsi-sportline/1001266656990910344979009

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...omfortline-for-sale/1001264691150910354178809

According to some the comments. I should go with the 2.0L and not the FSI.

 

[PostmanPot]

All clear.

Here are two i am interested in.
One FSI (6 speed) and one not (5 speed).

Been reading and now terrified of the FSI and Carbon buildup.

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...a-2-0-fsi-sportline/1001266656990910344979009

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bak...omfortline-for-sale/1001264691150910354178809

According to some the comments. I should go with the 2.0L and not the FSI.

You can get it carbon cleaned for R2,000 if you're so worried.

AFAIK there is nothing too worrisome about carbon buildup, it's mainly efficiency and some performance which lacks as a result. I don't believe it is dangerous in any way.

 

[Kix]

The Jetta 5 is FSI... You're thinking of TFSI / TSI (same thing). FSI is a type of direct injection which improves performance (and consumption IIRC?).

*edit*

There could be some non-FSIs on the road, I only recall seeing 2.0 FSIs. Why stay away from FSI?

Jetta 5 came with the same 2.0-non FSI engine as the Jetta 4. 85kW of tar shredding power.

FSI engines has the carbon build up (can be remedied as mentioned) and they love to chuck their timing belts at inopportune intervals as well. I know a guy that had his go at 75k km and another guy had the gearbox go on his around the same mileage. Tears were shed.

 

[PostmanPot]

Jetta 5 came with the same 2.0-non FSI engine as the Jetta 4. 85kW of tar shredding power.

FSI engines has the carbon build up (can be remedied as mentioned) and they love to chuck their timing belts at inopportune intervals as well. I know a guy that had his go at 75k km and another guy had the gearbox go on his around the same mileage. Tears were shed.

Completely anecdotal though, you must agree. One only ever hears of bad stories, not the good ones. On the flip side there are many with no problems at all. FSI engines are something I'm interested in every day, as a car enthusiast and member of the Audi Club.

 

[justadude]

Love it. Thanks all. Going to test drive both the FSI and non FSI today and tomorrow.

 

[Kix]

Completely anecdotal though, you must agree. One only ever hears of bad stories, not the good ones. On the flip side there are many with no problems at all. FSI engines are something I'm interested in every day, as a car enthusiast and member of the Audi Club.

Well then we submit to your superior experience and wisdom on the matter at hand.

My comments are my opinion, and my advice is just that - advice. The OP can use it or maybe not use it.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a high mileage FSI engine.

 

[pjjdp]

Older FSI's are ok, if it's well maintained. If not, $$$$. Have heard about a few with waterpump issues and cambelt issues.

NA 2.0 engines are bullet proof and much easier to maintain.

 

[Akirky]

This was the build up from my 2005 FSI at 174000Km.

I did the strip and clean myself, and with parts (gaskets, chain, tensioner), it came close to R6K. Add another R8K if you need to replace the cam adjuster.

Just something to bear in mind.

 

[PostmanPot]

Well then we submit to your superior experience and wisdom on the matter at hand.

My comments are my opinion, and my advice is just that - advice. The OP can use it or maybe not use it.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a high mileage FSI engine.

No need for sarcasm, certainly no need for scare tactics.

What is high mileage, in your opinion?

 

[Rouxenator]

Those Jettas on Gumtree are way to high mileage, they are three quarters on their way to 200,000km! If you are going to buy a used car, especially a German car, try to keep the mileage below 80,000km. A quick search on Autotrader found both normally aspirated as well as a turbo options with less than 70,000km on the clock for about R100k.

From personal experience I recommend low mileage normally aspirated petrol.

 

[PostmanPot]

Those Jettas on Gumtree are way to high mileage, they are three quarters on their way to 200,000km! If you are going to buy a used car, especially a German car, try to keep the mileage below 80,000km. A quick search on Autotrader found both normally aspirated as well as a turbo options with less than 70,000km on the clock for about R100k.

From personal experience I recommend low mileage normally aspirated petrol.

Nonsense as usual.

But mileage is an extremely subjective thing. People who don't know a lot about cars, or have good mechanics whom they trust, get scared by the '100,000km barrier'.

In your case, Roux, it's just your childish opinion about VW cars. Why are you even here? You are not helping the OP, merely expressing your obsession for your own good.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Those Jettas on Gumtree are way to high mileage, they are three quarters on their way to 200,000km! If you are going to buy a used car, especially a German car, try to keep the mileage below 80,000km. A quick search on Autotrader found both normally aspirated as well as a turbo options with less than 70,000km on the clock for about R100k.

From personal experience I recommend low mileage normally aspirated petrol.

Complete twaddle...

a decently maintained car will happily do over 200000kms, especially a German one.

 

[Rouxenator]

So you are saying it is nonsense to rather consider a car with less than 70,000km on the clock as opposed to some that has more than double that? You realise that makes you sound a bit biased, and if I may add, talking nonsense.

Here you go, just one of the VAG fails I have personally seen, 1.9 TDI that just went over 200,000km.

So how can you recommend cars with double the mileage and accuse me of being the one full of nonsense?

 

[Fazda]

Those Jettas on Gumtree are way to high mileage, they are three quarters on their way to 200,000km! If you are going to buy a used car, especially a German car, try to keep the mileage below 80,000km. A quick search on Autotrader found both normally aspirated as well as a turbo options with less than 70,000km on the clock for about R100k.

From personal experience I recommend low mileage normally aspirated petrol.

When are you ever going to give people sound advice and stop talking utter cr@p in an effort to bad mouth VAG products! ?

My 2007 Jetta 1.9 TDi has done 251 000 km and runs like a dream - replacement items have been normal for that age, brakes, cam belt and one CV boot. She is still on her original shocks and exhaust system.

Take your crusade somewhere else - maybe to the Opel Fan Club, they might believe your rubbish.

 

[Rouxenator]

Again, if you had to buy right now, why would you pay the same kind of money for a car that has 150,000km on the clock as opposed to one with less than 70,000km on the clock? Please explain that to me if it was your hard earned cash you are going to depart with.

 

[PostmanPot]

So you are saying it is nonsense to rather consider a car with less than 70,000km on the clock as opposed to some that has more than double that? You realise that makes you sound a bit biased, and if I may add, talking nonsense.

Absolutely, for various reasons, mainly:

1. At 70,000km, I'd be worried that any teething issues may not have been resolved yet. Around and over 70,000km, they should have been. Anything that wasn't right would have been replaced under plan.

2. Sellers will abuse this fear of the '100,000km' barrier. One will pay significantly more for something with 70,000km than for something with 100,000km. And the 100,000km may even be safer as teething issues would be resovled. Also, the 90/100,000km service often includes major components like cambelt and clutch. Waterpump and sometimes thermostats are done at the same time too. Therefore, the buyer is in for less maintenance. With a 70,000km vehicle, major components will be coming, this time only the buyer will be paying.

So, they've paid more for the perception that a 70,000km car is a safer bet, as well as much more for maintenance.

Here you go, just one of the VAG fails I have personally seen, 1.9 TDI that just went over 200,000km.

I don't care about anecdotal evidence. Find any other anti this brand or that car, and you'll find the same examples of failures which affect all cars.

So how can you recommend cars with double the mileage and accuse me of being the one full of nonsense?

?

Please stop being a disservice to people interested in safe cars. VAGs are popular for a reason, get over it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Again, if you had to buy right now, why would you pay the same kind of money for a car that has 150,000km on the clock as opposed to one with less than 70,000km on the clock? Please explain that to me if it was your hard earned cash you are going to depart with.

Maybe because the OP doesn't have the extra R20k you are expecting him to spend.

 

[Fazda]

Again, if you had to buy right now, why would you pay the same kind of money for a car that has 150,000km on the clock as opposed to one with less than 70,000km on the clock? Please explain that to me if it was your hard earned cash you are going to depart with.

Well, to start with, one that has 150 000 on the clock is going to cost considerably less than one with 70 000, so your own particular budget would have to be taken into account.

So, if it was my hard earned cash, I could probably only afford the 150 000 one, and if that was the case - VW has probably got the best there is and their cars go on to run up massive trouble free miles, despite what you have to say.

 

[Rouxenator]

Maybe because the OP doesn't have the extra R20k you are expecting him to spend.

The Jettas listed on Gumtree are going for R100k, for the same money I found cars with less than half the mileage.

At 70,000km, I'd be worried that any teething issues may not have been resolved yet.

Wow, really? Maybe you should run that by all the car manufacturers then. You know, maybe they could start selling cars with 70,000+ km on the clock and charge a premium for it saying it is "teething issues free". You must be trolling, seriously.